Will Dish EVER Show The Digital Sub Channels?

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  1. Kev

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    Will Dish ever give us the sub channels that you can get with an antenna? There are some really good sub channels like RTN and MeTV and MeTv2 that I just really love to watch. I sent an email to WCIU TV and asked them why that they are not carried on Dish and they sent me a reply that the channels have been offered to both satellite providers for FREE. So my question is why are they not being shown. METv is having a Green Hornet marathon this weekend that I have to watch off of IVI TV on my computer.
     
  2. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    There is only so much space on the spotbeams ... and once DISH starts carrying one channel's subchannels ALL the channels will demand subchannel carriage ... which is a lot of channels - and not all of them are as good.
     
  3. scooper

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    Your other option would be to use the OTA tuner built into most of the VIP receivers, or available as an add-on (222K, 722K, 922).
     
  4. Kev

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    That is interesting as an option. How does that work? Does the station actually show up on the channel guide or is it just a pass through connection? I only have SD equipment now which is about 9 years old. Also, if you get the VIP with the external drive DVR, will it also record the channel- such as if I wish to see "The Rifleman" that comes on while I am at work? Also, as a side note, I don't know why Dish has The U on a spot beam. They should be on a CONUS beam because they are the only true independent TV station left in the USA.
     
  5. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Can you receive all the subchannels you want from an over the air antenna on a ATSC TV? If so, you should be able to connect that antenna to the input of any ViP receiver with an OTA tuner.

    The channels will show up on their OTA channel numbers ... most channels have the correct EPG data and you'll be able to view and record OTA just like you watch satellite delivered channels. DISH needs to fix the EPG for 23-05 (they still have THIS on 23-06) and they are missing 9-02 Antenna TV. I can't say the data is correct for all the other subchannels, but the following is the OTA EPG data in the Chicago area:
    2-01 WBBM TSID 0x03E7, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 6313/8491)
    5-01 WMAQ TSID 0x03E9, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 6314/8492)
    5-02 WMAQ2 TSID 0x03E9, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14648)
    5-03 WMAQ3 TSID 0x03E9, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 15308)
    7-01 WLS TSID 0x03EB, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 6312/8490)
    7-02 WLS2 TSID 0x03EB, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14033)
    7-03 WLS3 TSID 0x03EB, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 14647)
    9-01 WGN9 TSID 0x03ED, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 6316/8494)
    11-01 WTTW TSID 0x03EF, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8496)
    11-02 WTTW2 TSID 0x03EF, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14034)
    11-03 WTTW3 TSID 0x03EF, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 14649)
    11-04 WTTW4 TSID 0x03EF, Subchannel 04 (DISH Channel 14402)
    20-01 WYCC TSID 0x03F1, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8501)
    20-02 WYCC2 TSID 0x03F1, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 15190)
    20-03 WYCC3 TSID 0x03F1, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 15203)
    26-01 WCIU TSID 0x03F3, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8497)
    26-02 WCIU2 TSID 0x03F3, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14032)
    26-03 WCIU3 TSID 0x03F3, Subchannel 03 (DISH Channel 15277)
    26-04 WCIU4 TSID 0x03F3, Subchannel 04 (DISH Channel 15307)
    26-06 WCIU6 TSID 0x03F3, Subchannel 06 (DISH Channel 15278)
    32-01 WFLD TSID 0x03F5, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 6315/8493)
    38-01 WCPX TSID 0x03F7, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8507)
    44-01 WSNS TSID 0x03F9, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8499)
    50-01 WPWR TSID 0x0459, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8495)
    56-01 WYIN TSID 0x045B, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8502)
    56-02 WYIN2 TSID 0x045B, Subchannel 02 (DISH Channel 14296)
    60-01 WXFT TSID 0x03DB, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8500)
    62-01 WJYS TSID 0x045D, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8503)
    66-01 WGBO TSID 0x0407, Subchannel 01 (DISH Channel 8498)
    The "DISH channel" in the 14xxx and 15xxx range are EPG only ... so you'll need OTA to get the actual feed and you'll tune the channels on the OTA channel numbering shown.

    A complete list of local channels and OTA EPG is available here.
     
  6. Stewart Vernon

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    Funny that you mentioned Green Hornet... because SyFy also had a marathon of those episodes earlier in the week... I want to say Tuesday, but I didn't watch so I can't remember for sure the day.
     
  7. Jhon69

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    You can also go to www.antennaweb.org or www.tvfool.com ,enter your address and see the channels you should receive there.Good Luck!:)
     
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    Well echostar just bought a internet TV company..perhaps someday they will deliver them via IP TV
     
  9. Jhon69

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    That makes sense as the VIP receivers are ethernet connectable.;)
     
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    in jacksonville dish does carry waws's sub ch which is rtn. in miami they carry wsfl's sub ch which is some spanish programing. the list waws is my network but it was rtn a couple of months ago,


    Locals Package - $5.99 per month*
    Station Local Channel Number Dish Channel Number
    JACKSONVILLE ABC - WJXX IN HD 25 5150
    JACKSONVILLE IND-WJXT 4 9057
    JACKSONVILLE NBC-WTLV 12 9052
    JACKSONVILLE MN-WAWSD 32 9055
    JACKSONVILLE ABC-WJXX 25 9050
    JACKSONVILLE FOX-WAWS 30 9053
    JACKSONVILLE CBS-WTEV 47 9051
    JACKSONVILLE PBS-WJCT 7 9056
    JACKSONVILLE ION-WPXC 21 9060
    JACKSONVILLE TBN - WJEB 59 9059
    JACKSONVILLE FOX-WAWS HD 30 5153
    JACKSONVILLE PBS-WXGA 8 9058
    JACKSONVILLE CW-WCWJ 17 9054
    JACKSONVILLE CBS-WTEV HD 47 5151
    JACKSONVILLE NBC - WTLV IN HD 12 5152


    Locals Package - $5.99 per month*
    Station Local Channel Number Dish Channel Number
    MIAMI UNVSN-WLTV 23 8838
    MIAMI IND - WBEC 63 8846
    MIAMI IND-WGEN 8 8845
    MIAMI NBC-WTVJ IN HD 6 6403
    MIAMI TELEF-WAMI 69 8840
    MIAMI ION - WPXM 35 8843
    MIAMI ABC-WPLG IN HD 10 6401
    MIAMI SPANISH IND-WSBS 22 8842
    MIAMI AZTECA-WSFLD 19 8837
    MIAMI PBS-WLRN 17 8841
    MIAMI CW-WSFL HD 39 6405
    MIAMI UNVSN-WLTV HD 23 6406
    MIAMI IND-WJAN 41 8844
    MIAMI CBS-WFOR 4 8831
    MIAMI MNT-WBFS 33 8835
    MIAMI NBC-WTVJ 6 8832
    MIAMI CBS-WFOR IN HD 4 6402
    MIAMI PBS-WPBT 2 8836
    MIAMI FOX-WSVN 7 8833
    MIAMI FOX-WSVN IN HD 7 6404
    MIAMI CW-WSFL 39 8834
    MIAMI PBS-WLRN HD 17 6409
    MIAMI TMNDO-WSCV 51 8839
    MIAMI PBS-WPBT HD 2 6409
    MIAMI TELEF-WAMI HD 69 6407
    MIAMI ABC-WPLG 10 8830
     
  11. paja

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    Also, ANTENNA TV (on WGN 9.2 OTA) is up and running in Chicago. Comcast is already carrying it.
     
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    What is The U?
     
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    Subchannels integrate right into your guide down in were the other OTA channels are. Have several here in San Diego, and one thing nice about the subchannels, is when Dish carries the main channel all the guide info for the Sub channels are included. It was really nice during the Olympics as local NBC carried lots of the Olympics on 39-03, that you didn't see anywere else.
    I enjoy NBC's 39's local weather on Subchannle 39-02.
     
  15. Kev

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    It is a UHF station that is located in Chicago and it is the only true independent TV station left in the USA (most of the others have went to being WB or UPN affiliates or went to Spanish, home shopping or religion). It shows old school TV shows on its main and 2 sub channels called METV and METV2.
     
  16. James Long

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    All the gory details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCIU-TV

    WCIU was a Univision affiliate for some time and aired other ethnic programming. They just went the other way ... moving the ethnic stuff off to a low power affiliate and going general entertainment on their main feed. Digital television has been well used by WCIU ... and the owners, Weigel Broadcasting, have expanded in to neighboring markets ... plus the new MeTV network which recently went national (or at least is available to other markets).
     
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    Kev,

    I'm in the Chicagoland area and have the 722K DVR with the optional dual tuner OTA module connected to my antenna. I get MeTV, MeToo, This, etc. and the program listings are integrated into the Dish EPG, including Green Hornet.
     
  18. Michael1

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    I am in Los Angeles, and I swear just today the subchannel program data started showing up. I had emailed Dish to include subchannels in the guide as a suggestion a few weeks ago. It still says "Digital Service" for Channels 11-02 and 03, 30-02 and 03, 35-01 thru 08, 40-01 thru 05, 44-03 thru 10, 54-02, 57-05 thru 09, 62-02 thru 04.

    Michael
     
  19. James Long

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    There have been no changes recently ... but I'm glad you have them.

    In LA you should have subchannel EPG for:
    2-01 KCBS
    4-01,02,04 KNBC
    5-01,02 KTLA
    7-01,02,03 KABC3
    9-01 KCAL
    11-01 KTTV
    13-01 KCOP
    18-01,02,03,05,07,08 KSCI
    20-01 KBBC
    22-01 KWHY
    24-01,02,03,04 KVCR
    28-01,02,03,04 KCET
    30-01 KPXN
    31-01,02,03 KVMD
    34-01 KMEX
    44-01,02 KXLA
    46-01 KFTR
    50-01,02,03 KOCE
    52-01 KVEA
    54-01 KAZA
    56-01,02 KDOC
    57-01,02,03,04 KJLA
    58-01,02,03,04 KLCS
    62-01 KRCA
    63-01 KBEH
    64-01 KHIZ
    (Subject to local reception of the channels. Out of market EPG may also be available.)
     
  20. richardpaul

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    you people should feel lucky, i live in rural MO, and we do not get any subchannels, to speak of. heck, we barely get internet, so yeah I wish we had some of these options available.
     

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