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Will Rumsfield be Fired

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  1. tomcrown1

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    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/04/13/national/w140859D51.DTL

    04-13) 17:39 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --


    Crusty and unapologetic, Donald H. Rumsfeld is the public face of an unpopular war and a target of unrelenting criticism. A growing number of commanders who served under him say he has botched the Iraq operation, ignored the advice of his generals and should be replaced.


    The White House insists the defense secretary retains President Bush's confidence. Few close to the administration expect him to be shown the door.


    "The president believes Secretary Rumsfeld is doing a very fine job during a challenging period in our nation's history," Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said Thursday as the administration circled its wagons around the embattled Pentagon chief.


    Two more retired generals called for Rumsfeld's resignation on Thursday, bringing the number this month to six.
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  2. Danny R

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    Resign? Nope, he'll probably get another Presidential Medal for his work!
     
  3. Fifty Caliber

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    Cabinet official are confirmed by congress, thus they cannot be just fired by the president.
     
  4. jonstad

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    Bush is in a delicate position. Forcing, or even nudging Rumsfield out now would be perceived as an admission by the administration of failure of the Iraq policies. Not that there's not enough proof of that already.

    Even if Rummy had a completely legitimate reason for leaving unrelated to his job as DOD Secretary(he's exhausted, wants to spend more time with his family, blah, blah blah), that's not how it would be interpreted.

    If only Bush can manage to change the subject, just for a little while, Rumsfield may be able to slip out the back door. But he's been trying to change the subject and it just ain't workin'! So unless he dies in office, I expect Rumsfield'll be there right up to January 2009.:(
     
  5. Capmeister

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    Yes, they can. Congress doesn't confirm firings, only hirings in this case.
     
  6. Danny R

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    Cabinet official are confirmed by congress, thus they cannot be just fired by the president.

    The only time that has been the case was when the Tenure of Office Act of 1867 was in place, which was a direct response of Republicans to Andrew Johnson's presidency. Congress didn't want the new southern president (who wasn't even a Republican) replacing Lincoln's cabinet. This very issue of course was the primary reason for Johnson's impeachment, but the constitutionality wasn't challenged at the time and the law stayed on the books until 1887.

    The Supreme court however made it clear that the practice was unconstitutional in Myers vs. United States in 1926, where a similar law applying to postmasters was in place (Myers was dismissed without senate approval and challenged it).

    So no, Senate approval is NOT required for dismissals.
     
  7. AcuraCL

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    Isn't this the kind of criticism that McNamara got during Vietnam?

    Does Rummy remind you of him?
     
  8. AllieVi

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    Probably true.

    Bush's management style won't allow him to fire Rumsfeld, and I'd be surprised to see Don resign. Rumsfeld isn't the kind of person who would accept being fired/resigning due to his perceived shortcomings. GOP House/Senate candidates in the Fall elections will pressure for a change, but we're probably stuck with this duo and their fallout until the next administration.
     
  9. RichW

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    Maybe Bush will tell Rummy to go hunting with the veep.
     
  10. Buffalo Bill

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    Rummy should have been canned during the Hoover administration when he got his first job. The dude is so out of touch and it has cost our troops dearly...
     
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    WRONG. Cabinet officers serve at the pleasure of the president. They can and have been fired by chief esecutives.
     
  12. Fifty Caliber

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    So then why do they even need to be confirmed by the Senate?
     
  13. tomcrown1

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    How does one become a member of the Cabinet?
    The 15 Secretaries from the executive departments are appointed by the President, and they must be confirmed by a majority vote (51 votes) of the Senate. They cannot be a member of Congress or hold any other elected office. Cabinet appointments are for the duration of the administration, but the President may dismiss any member at any time, without approval of the Senate. In addition, they are expected to resign when a new President takes office.

    from this link
    http://bensguide.gpo.gov/9-12/government/national/cabinet.html
     
  14. Dave

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    Just some more cry baby SOLDIERS (GENERALS) who didn't get there way or promoted. Now they are playing the cry baby role. Could thing they retired before they got thrown out. Sound like some more DEMS that didn't get there way.
    Sound more like some Wesley Clarke wannabes. DEMS>
     
  15. James_F

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    The Senate's consent is required for appointements for Cabinet members, ambassadors and other senior executive officers.

    It is all part of that seperation of powers stuff you were supposed to learn back in grade school. :nono2:
     
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    The depth of knowledge of America and what it means to be American never ceases to amaze. Maybe those citizenship classes we're always recommending for immigrants should be applied to those "born and raised"?

    Remind me again, which side does this scholar usually argue for?:sure:
     
  17. Capmeister

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    So, each of them is bitter, and the war has come off perfectly? But if it hasn't no one is to blame?
     
  18. DonLandis

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    The US Military is an expert at winning wars. It has no solution to rebuilding nations and performing constructive action. This is best performed by captalism, industry and free enterprise.
    The problem with the people in this country is that they don't understand the difference between real war and police work in a swat environment. The latter is what we've been in and is why our military is failing. The war was won the day we captured Saddam Hussein! Sorry if others and the President and Rummy don't get it!
     
  19. AllieVi

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    With regard to Iraq, I doubt that it matters who is in charge of the DoD. The strategy that got us where we are was bungled a long time ago and there's little that can be done now to correct the errors. Until the country insists on abandoning this lost cause, little will change.

    The one good thing in this entire debacle is that those who created it remain fully in charge. No one can claim that we changed horses in the middle of the stream or that things would be better if only we had allowed Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld to pursue their agenda.
     
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    Part of me (the cynical part) wants Rumsfeld to stay in place. I would like to see pro-war Republicans get reelected in both the house and senate and I would like to see a pro-war Republican win the presidential election in 08. I believe the future of Iraq is going to be so messed up that I don't want the people who got us there to get a chance to blame the next group of leaders who come along and control Washington.
     
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