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Will you be switching from Dish to DirecTV because of the newly announced DVR fees?

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by Chris Blount, Jul 30, 2003.

Will you be switching from Dish to DirecTV because of the newly announced DVR fees?

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  1. Jul 31, 2003 #41 of 121
    kstevens

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    Their announcement has nothing to do withe the 921, it was 510 specific, so we have no idea at this point what will happen with the 921. But if they do charge 12 per month on the 921 they better offer an extremely good deal on the superdish 921 package, otherwise I well may switch.


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  2. Jul 31, 2003 #42 of 121
    Jacob S

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    $12 per month for what? It was already said that ALL NEW DVR's coming out WILL have a DVR fee of $4.99-$9.99 per month.
     
  3. Jul 31, 2003 #43 of 121
    spanishannouncetable

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    Scott has already posted his communications with Dish Network brass. The new fees begin with the 510 model and apply to every new DVR model # afterward.

    501, 508 and 721 are exempt, the DP has its own fee structure outside the other models and is unchanged.
     
  4. Jul 31, 2003 #44 of 121
    kstevens

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    Sorry, didn't see that post. But my statement still stands, it depends on what dish charges for the 921/superdish package. If they don't give us a hell of a deal, I'll be looking at directv shortly.


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  5. Jul 31, 2003 #45 of 121
    Jacob S

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    I do wonder about the price of that receiver considering how they are going to charge for the DVR service. I wonder how long they have planned on doing this and if they planned on a DVR fee when they were first developing the 921 receiver. I would think that Dish could give some better hardware deals because of the charge that may apply.

    Perhaps Dish will give a hardware discount if you sign a 1 or 2 year contract in which I have seen some type of ad someone displayed from echostar.retailer.com or maybe even a deal for free DVR service for a period of time such as 12 months or 24 months to get the consumers hooked on the DVR service then charge afterwards.

    They discounted the Dishplayers only charging $149 or $199 because they were charging for the PTV service. It was the same price or just a little above the price of the receiver that came with the promotion the customer got in which they received a free system.
     
  6. Jul 31, 2003 #46 of 121
    kstevens

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    I for one will not be upgrading my service to get a reduced rate. I don't watch any of the channels in the higher level packages so it would be a waste of my money to upgrade.


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  7. Jul 31, 2003 #47 of 121
    Nick

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    I have only two things to say:

    A. If any of you think this B&M session is going to have any effect on EchoStar's decision to charge PVR fees, you are sadly mistaken. The illuminati are few; the masses are legion. What is 80 or less here compared with over 8 million? Do the math.

    B. Adios! :hi:
     
  8. Jul 31, 2003 #48 of 121
    Jacob S

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    I personally think all of this talk will not as a whole influence their decision and that is not why I am posting. I do think Dish is trying out the DVR fee just to see if they can get the money and if they see that it is not working for them then I see the possibility of them dropping the fee. They are trying to see what they can get away with charging.
     
  9. Jul 31, 2003 #49 of 121
    Bob Haller

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    I think it might. The outrage shown here is a example o how many long term subs will be feeling.

    Its in Es best interest to not piss off their best long term subs. They might not of forseen the outrage and bashing they are receiving over there bug ridden boxes they now want to charge for monthly.

    I believe a accomodation will be achieved, because they know this we will trash them on the internet forever. Word of mouth can help but hurt too.

    They extended the DP free PVR service time after a smaller example of whats happening here.
     
  10. Jul 31, 2003 #50 of 121
    Nick

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    "...we will trash them on the internet forever..."

    Bob, you are a tiger. You'll have Charlie & Co. shaking their snakeskin boots as they drive home in their Mercs and Jags tonight. :rolleyes:

    You go, boy!
     
  11. Jul 31, 2003 #51 of 121
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    It's not as bad as you might think. Of course there aren't the equipment deals like E* or D* but you have full control over what you watch or don't watch and the annual subscription fee for most channels is dirt cheap.

    You will probably spend about $1500.00 for a complete system but then you are set and don't have to worry about superdish or triple lbnf or other technology changes that mini-dish folks have to go through every three years.

    That sounds like a lot but people are ready to shell out $1,000 for a 921 that receives an encoded and recompressed signal FROM c-band!

    My taxcut check is going in the "rainy-day" account and I'm doing my homework. C / KU band looks better every day. There's no HOA for my neighborhood and I have a big backyard with no trees to worry about.
     
  12. Jul 31, 2003 #52 of 121
    Bob Haller

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    Nick word of mouth is the best adveryising their is. But it goes both ways.

    There was a study on this. A happy customer tells 5 other people

    A unhappy customer tells 30

    :(
     
  13. Jul 31, 2003 #53 of 121
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    I had said as a whole, in which I meant all of this will not completely sway them to not do as they planned. They are not going to allow us to make all their decisions for them. I am sure they will listen to us and maybe they will come up with a compromise or special offers but I do not think we are going to completely change their minds on some of their decisions.
     
  14. Aug 1, 2003 #54 of 121
    jayn_j

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    I voted undecided. Last year, the lack of fees was the deciding factor for buying a 508 and staying with DISH. I can't imagine the grandfathered 508 is going to last all that long.

    I've been with Dish since 96, but I also have a few useless receivers;
    * 7 year old 2000 that can't take a card anymore;
    * 4000 I retired because guide became useless and was getting hit with anti-piracy junk that made it unavailable for hours at a time;
    * 2 year old 4900 that has the open tv feature which allows me to see the guide along with a window that shows "waiting for download". That one also has the wonderful 2 day guide which gives me program info for the next 1/2 hour and 2 days worth of "NO INFO".

    How long is that grandfathered 508 going to work? Where does the loyalty factor get me? When it again becomes so painful I need to upgrade (probably lat this year for the 4900), I'm going to look purely on the numbers.
     
  15. Aug 1, 2003 #55 of 121
    Larry

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    Having been with E* for so many years, it would be hard to jump ship. That being said, it really all comes down to the HDTV and PVR functions. The 921 (if it ever ships) will have two tuner recording and off air recording (1 or 2 off air channels at once, i don't know). If the Tivo product can beat the features and not kill quality with too much compression, maybe I'd change. It would be nice to get the NFL package, but I'd miss the superstations. Decisions, decisions, decisions.
     
  16. Aug 1, 2003 #56 of 121
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    Still undecided, but it looks like a switch is looking more & more like a reality. No name based recording, no Tivo, no NFL package can still win me over if they become the true "hands-down" leader in HDTV. But offering to sell me a dish branded HDTV set won't make them the leader in my mind, it's HDTV content that will matter. Right now D* has the edge especially with the NFL HD content, but what does Charlie have up his sleeve?
     
  17. Aug 1, 2003 #57 of 121
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    To me the big question is availability. Both 921 and DirecTivo HD will record HD and at passable levels. My big question is who comes out first. They are the ones who get MY money.

    One thing that is driving me crazy is that their is NO news on HDTV DirecTivo. I know development is moving along and they aren't all that far from Dish... but what is going on, and when will they release the product??
     
  18. Aug 1, 2003 #58 of 121
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    Since someone had posted that he has a brochure that indicates that the 522, 921, etc. would not be charged a fee when he got the brochure from the last CES show then that would indicate that they planned this not long ago.
     
  19. Aug 1, 2003 #59 of 121
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    "...their (there) is NO news on HDTV DirecTivo...when will they release the product??"

    Probably when it is ready for distribution.
     
  20. Aug 1, 2003 #60 of 121
    Jacob S

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    Isn't the DirecTivo HD DVR supposed to be a bit cheaper than the 921 coming out?
     
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