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Windows 7 Beta First Impressions

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by LarryFlowers, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. Jan 10, 2009 #21 of 260
    Steve

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    Got it up and running on a Dell dual-core 1.67mhz laptop with 1GB of memory, and it's flying! Unlike Vista, it's got the feel of a "lean and mean" OS, comparable in speed to Win XP SP3. So far, it looks like Microsoft did a great job addressing all the Vista issues.

    IMO, the sooner they get this out, the sooner we'll see the end of the Mac vs. PC commercials.

    Had I made the h/w and s/w investment in Vista, I would be ticked if asked to pay full freight for "7". Since it's coming out so close on the heels of Vista and addressing many of the Vista "issues", I really think Microsoft should allow Vista owners to upgrade for a much lower price. Just my .02. /steve
     
  2. Jan 10, 2009 #22 of 260
    Tom Robertson

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    The big problem, Steve, is that windows 7 isn't scheduled for release until "back to school" at the earliest (and that is an aggressive guess by some pundits.)

    If you bought your Vista in July...

    Happy "National Cut Your Energy Costs Day!"
    Tom
     
  3. Jan 10, 2009 #23 of 260
    LarryFlowers

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    Vista has some things that have been removed as standard equipment from Windows 7;

    1. Windows Mail
    2. Windows Movie Maker
    3. Windows Photo Gallery
    4. Windows Contacts
    5. Windows Calendar

    You can replace these with Windows Live Downloads at http://download.live.com/

    1. The Live Mail program is better than Outlook Express ever was, but not as full featured as Outlook. It includes Contacts an Calendar.
    2. Movie Maker is still in Beta and not up to the level of the one in Vista, but is still being developed.
    3. Photo Gallery

    Apologies to Tom in post #24.. I did this post in 2 parts as I had to close it while downloading and checking out the programs.
     
  4. Jan 10, 2009 #24 of 260
    Tom Robertson

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    Larry,

    Aren't those now part of Windows Live and downloadable? I thought I saw that on the Windows 7 splash page.

    Peace,
    Tom
     
  5. Jan 10, 2009 #25 of 260
    LarryFlowers

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    Anybody out there tried to load Firefox or Chrome yet? Please post your results.

    I am noticing something right off the bat. This version of IE8 must be quite a bit further along than the IE8 Beta I am running on my Vista PC. It is perfroming far better then the beta in Vista.
     
  6. Jan 10, 2009 #26 of 260
    LarryFlowers

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    Try this:

    Open Internet Explorer... grab the title bar with you mouse and drag the top left corner of IE to the top left corner of the screen.

    Open a second Internet Explorer window. Drag the title bar of this one so the top right corner of IE is in the top rigt corner of your screen.

    Right click on the task bar select "Show Windows Side by Side".

    There 3 or 4 less steps to do this than there was in Vista.

    Right Click on the taskbar to undo.

    This will work with any program, but will be a great way to run multiple chat windows.

    Larry
     
  7. Jan 10, 2009 #27 of 260
    Steve

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    Chrome is working just fine.

    IE8 Beta 2 must be using resources built into 7, because under XP SP3, using IE8 Beta 2, the nyt.com home page takes up 105 mb of memory. Under 7, it takes up only 51 mb, same as Chrome for the same page.

    Interestingly, Chrome takes 81mb of memory for the NYT home page under XP SP3, so it looks like both browsers are availing themselves of some operating system services built-in to 7 that are reducing their respective memory footprints, but IE8 benefits more from 7 than Chrome does. Not surprising since the Microsoft developers know more about the code.

    /steve
     
  8. Jan 10, 2009 #28 of 260
    gulfwarvet

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    Larry,

    don't forget about the windows essentials beta that is for windows 7. it replaces windows live with a more of a modern look that matches the look and feel of windows 7. plus it has windows movie (beta) movie maker.

    http://download.live.com/
     
  9. Jan 10, 2009 #29 of 260
    dirtyblueshirt

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    No problems with Firefox. all mu plugins work brilliantly, too.
     
  10. Jan 10, 2009 #30 of 260
    gulfwarvet

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    Oh, i also discovered that Mcafee doesn't like windows 7 yet. however, Norton 2009 internet security will install and work fine.
     
  11. Jan 10, 2009 #31 of 260
    LarryFlowers

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    See post #23 Thanks for the Norton info


     
  12. Jan 10, 2009 #32 of 260
    Tom Robertson

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    Oh sure, just edit your post after I've posted the information... :D
     
  13. Jan 10, 2009 #33 of 260
    Steve

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    Funny thing is if I select "Movie Maker Beta" for d/l, I get a menu of everything but Movie Maker to d/l! See attached.

    Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or it's an "issue". /steve
     

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  14. Jan 10, 2009 #34 of 260
    dharrismco

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    I do like the feel of Windows 7 so far, the only issue I've had with installs is I had to download the Norton 360 3.0 Beta as Norton 360 2.0 didn't want to install on the 64 bit Window 7 install. (I did have the 64 bit Norton 360 2.0 as I was using it in Vista 64).

    Software so far:
    ITunes
    Windows Home Server Connector 64 bit
    Norton 360 3.0 Beta
    Firefox
     
  15. Jan 10, 2009 #35 of 260
    gulfwarvet

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    Avira Premium security suite works with W7
     
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    gitarzan

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    I did an 'upgrade' on one of my Vista HTPC's (AMD 780G chipset) last night. It was mostly smooth. It even recognized my Mitsubish DLP TV correctly but part of the install it only used 1/4 of my TV screen. The Media Center seems a little buggy but I was able to get my HD tuner stick to work. I was especially interested to see the internet TV integrated with the guide now. It seems a little buggy and the Microsoft extender commercials are annoying.
     
  18. Jan 11, 2009 #38 of 260
    Mark Holtz

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    Interesting....

    I have finished performing a upgrade of the system. The upgrade consisted of changing the memory from 2 GB of Ram (1 GBx2) to 4 GB (2 GB x 2) and changing a Maxtor 250GB IDE drive to a Seagate 1 TB SATA drive. As many of you are aware, 32-bit OSes are limited to 2-4 GB of RAM, depending on the motherboard. (Long explanation). My motherboard is a GigaByte 965P-DS3 Rev 3.3 motherboard.

    Under XP, the memory detected was 3.5 GB, the hard drive was detected, and a reboot was necessary.

    Under Windows Vista (64-bit), the memory detected was 4 GB, the hard drive was detected, but no reboot.

    Under Windows 7 (32-bit), the memory detected was 4 GB, the hard drive was detected, but no reboot. I will need to perform a performance test again. Screen is different from Vistas.

    The thing is that was 32-bit OS, the limit for memory addressing is 4 GB, and for Windows XP, some of that memory is split. (64-bit OSes have a higher memory limit). Funny how, in 2001, the minimum memory requirement was 128MB, and 4 GB was a pipe dream. 2-3 years ago, you were pushing it if you went 2 GB. But now...
     
  19. Jan 11, 2009 #39 of 260
    LarryFlowers

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    Howl's of protest echoed far and wide over Vista's UAC (User Account Control) a feature that monitored changes in you computer and forced you to authorize them. Your screen dimmed and a UAC box would pop up waiting for your acknowledgement. This was a prime example of Microsoft being damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

    The "howls" were repeated to death on line, half of which were from people who were using it as an excuse not to move up to Vista, which I found fascinating.. how do complain about something you have never used?

    Three things about Vista's UAC:
    1. You could turn it off
    2. If you were a parent with kids using your Vista PC it was a godsend
    3. If you left it alone, the warning dropped with use, becoming rare once you had your PC for a while.

    Windows 7 attacks the UAC perceived problem by providing 4 levels of protection.

    As illustrated in the first attached picture, the UAC control is easier to find: Start>Getting Started>Change UAC Settings.

    Clicking on this brings up the UAC Control Panel with a slider with 4 settings (picture 2). Those settings are from top to bottom:

    1. Never Notify.. this turns off UAC

    2. Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer (do not dim my desktop). Don't notify me when I make changes to Windows settings.

    3. The Default setting: Notify me only when programs try to make changes to my computer (screen dims). Don't notify me when I make changes to Windows settings.

    4. Always notify me: Programs try to install software or make changes to my computer or I make changes to Windows settings.

    Hopefully, the ease of access to change UAC's settings and the variety of settings will eliminate or at least lessen the complaints against this much maligned Windows Security Feature.
     
  20. Jan 11, 2009 #40 of 260
    mystic7

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    Can you install Windows 7 and be done with it, or will it expire eventually? I don't want to go through backing up my files and doing a clean install twice, once for W7, and then to re-install Vista. Does anyone know?

    As far as UAC, when I turned it off in Vista Premium 64 bit, it made all of my programs look like I'd just installed them. Even my email client (Eudora) lost all of my old emails, and my other programs went to default preference settings, but when I turned UAC back on, all went back to normal.
     

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