wireless joey access point netgear help

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by Gadget207, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. Irish Shark

    Irish Shark New Member

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    None. Reset to factory specs.

    "Tried the setup with no Internet connection using a Nighthawk AC1900 and the WJs will not connect to the router regardless of what you try. If the OP on the DBS site got it to work, then something has changed with the hardware in the past 2 years. The WJ can see the 5GHz network, but that's all."
     
  2. Irish Shark

    Irish Shark New Member

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    That is how the Dish Network works. A modem, or other source to the Internet, is connected directly to the router. The router is connected to the Hopper and the Joeys are connected to the Hopper. All on the same LAN.

     
  3. Gadget207

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    Those connections should all be possible over wifi...none should require a cable.
     
  4. hennesseystealth

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    Straight out of the box. Nothing changed from the factory defaults.
     
  5. Gadget207

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    I'm a little confused about you seeing 2 5Ghz channels...one would be the Nighthawk...where's the other coming from?
     
  6. hennesseystealth

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    When I was using the Nighthawk X6, it is a tri-band router. It has a single 2.4GHz radio and 2 different 5GHz radios. Those last 2 radios broadcast on different channels, one around 44 and the other around 153.

    The AC1900 is only dual band, so only one radio for each frequency.
     
  7. Irish Shark

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    The router is wired to the Internet. What ever device it is a modem, a DSL connection, GPON, dedicated T2, etc. That is how the folks with Dish do it because they make the rules and it is much better than a wireless connection to the Internet. Off the top of my head, I really do not think that I have ever seen a wireless modem. If one existed, then it might be possible to connect all wireless devices electronically.

    And taking it a step farther, what router supports a wireless connection to the modem (the Internet)? If any of the two exist, and are not cost prohibitive, I will purchase them both and see if it works as a replacement to my current moderm & router.

    The word "connection" does not imply ALL devices or configurations are wired. If you have a non-wireless component, it is not going to connect without "somekind" of physical connection.

    Keep in mind that I am talking about your statement of Internet cannot coexist on the same router with a Hopper and Joeys.
     
  8. Irish Shark

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    I noticed that in you setup dialogue. What caught my eye was the fact that the SSID is the same on all bands. I know that this is a highly debated point - Same - Not The Same. I really don't want to get into that here.

    In my research on this project, I ran accross a post that said what the Dish WAP was using to the WJ. That is the freq. that the WJ is looking for to make a connection. I can't find it now. I'll go into deep memory and maybe I can find it.

    Now Dish states that thier wireless 5GHz freq. does NOT interfere with your wireless network. How are they doing that? Is it in a freq. of the 5MHz which NO router can use? Or Are they freq. hop on the unused freqs? Or ..... ???

     
  9. hennesseystealth

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    You can see all the 5GHz channels here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels

    The 5GHz WiFi channels that are used by off-the-shelf routers are a subset of the total available.

    36, 40, 44, 48, 149, 153, 157, 161

    My guess is that the WAP is using one of the 5GHz channels that is not accessible by off-the-shelf routers. I know the WAP is using something in this range as it can pick up the SSID for my 5GHz broadcast.

    As for the SSID, I also tested with different SSIDs for the 3 bands on the X6 and the 2 bands on the AC1900. No difference in results.
     
  10. Gadget207

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    If Dish has changed the hardware in the WAP and WJ's so they're no longer on a standard WiFi 802.11ac channel, that's disappointing. Could it be just something different in the Hopper 3? The solution posted for this thread was done before Hopper 3 existed. I just have a regular Hopper with Sling...not sure if they call that a Hopper 2 or....

    Maybe there's an obscure setting in the Hopper 3 that has to be found / changed for the WJ to connect over Nighthawk WiFi.
     
  11. hennesseystealth

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    Does anyone have access to Dish personnel that can verify that the current WAP/WJ is operating on channel 138? If this is the case, then I am not aware of any router than can successfully connect on that channel.
     
  12. Gadget207

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    ...for my Hopper with Sling setup.
     
  13. hennesseystealth

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    My network reporting software shows no signal on channel 153, so that pretty much tells me that something has changed in the hardware.
     
  14. Irish Shark

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    Software for Wireless Joey and Access Point is stored on the Hopper. Wireless Access Point is brained in the Hopper. Any changes can be done with overnight updates.

    Dish got a new frequency allocation for a Wireless AP version 2. This happened two two years ago.
     
  15. hennesseystealth

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    :bang :blackeye: :down:
     
  16. Gadget207

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    I don't want to send you down a rabbit hole, but perhaps a wifi adapter in a Joey 2.0 works with a Netgear and H3 over wifi.
    http://support.dish.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=861&p=104648&e=104648
     
  17. hennesseystealth

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    Yes, I have that on my plate, but the cheap Wifi dongles are 802.11 g and I am not sure if they will have the bandwidth for hi def signals. The AC dongles are a lot more expensive.
     
  18. Gadget207

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    I'd bet you'd need the AC dongles, but about all you can do is trial and error. Good luck.
     
  19. aeontech

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    On my retailer demo system, my wireless joey WAP is currently on 5 Ghz channel 132 (5660 Mhz) with no SSID and WPA2 encryption. I would expect it auto selects a channel to use based on other devices in the area. I can see it using WifiAnalyzer on my phone and the manufacturer name is ECHOSTAR Technologies Corp.

    Also just tested this setup and it is working. Hopper 3 connected to local wifi network, Wireless Joey WAP connected via network switch halfway across my office, Wireless Joey connected to Wireless Joey WAP via WPS.

    This would mean to allow use in a remote detached garage you could use some affordable wifi bridge devices (ubiquiti nanostation loco M2 or M5 are my favorites for affordable links) connected to the LAN at main building and connect the Wireless Joey WAP to the other side of transparent wifi bridge to give you great signal in detached garage.
     
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