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Working eSata Setups:

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by houskamp, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    did you try : 44 + TT + EVDS ?

    I would check how your eSATA connector inserting into 44
     
  2. lucky13

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    Not yet. I was thinking of seeing if the 24 would format the 3TB and then trying it again on the 44. But I'll try your suggestion at the same time and see what happens.

    What should I look for in the cable connection to the 44? The e SATA cables in both seem to have the same amount of play.
     
  3. steelgtr

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    "I would recommend not bothering with an HR20 external drive. You're gonna lose any programming you have saved anyway."

    This is the conflict.

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  4. CCarncross

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    I believe the reference here is that HR20's are not long for this world,having been released in 2006. They are approaching 7 years old. If you add an external drive to any HR, it takes the place of the internal drive, meaning you end up starting over like the day the dvr was put into service. 100% free space on the drive, and an empty Series Manager/to-do list. If the HR dies, you can move the hard drive to another DVR, but none of the recordings will be playable.
     
  5. lucky13

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    Update:
    Connected the 3TB to the 24, and the 2TB to the 44.
    Saw the 24 formatting the drive, and the initial questions/announcements on both boxes. Neither playlist shows the recordings I put on the internal drives.

    The LEDs on both are now both blue and red.

    Now I'm going to try to switch the connections so I can have the full 3TB on the 44.
    What's the least-disruptive way to do this?
    Swap the cables at the DVR end (that's what I did to get it to work)?
    Swap them at the dock end?
    Leave the cables in place and swap the drives in the docks?

    Thanks for the suggestions and help.
     
  6. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    try to find any combination (including swap eSATA cables ends) what will works
     
  7. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    I'd to the last first.
     
  8. lucky13

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    I switched the cables at the dock end before I saw Laxguy's suggestion.
    The LED's on both docks are red and blue. I was surprised that the boxes ran through the opening questions (whole home, etc) after start-up, and the recordings I had placed on the external drives didn't appear. But neither did the recordings on the internal drives. No problems seeing other receivers.

    I suspect that the content on the eSATAs got wiped because the drives were switched between DVRs with different external capacities. To confirm the external drives are working, I ran the Guided Tests Menu on the 44 and the 24. Both external drives were found and passed the tests.


    So it seems I'm good to go. Thanks to all for your help.
     
  9. steelgtr

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    So all would agree that the HR20-100 can toggle between the internal and external drive and none of the internal programs will be lost after adding the external drive?

    thx

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  10. CCarncross

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    They shouldn't be lost, no. But there is always the risk when swapping drives that something could go wrong and wipe the drive you are switching to. If anything strange occurs the dvr could automatically format the drive when you connect it up. Thats why it is typically not recommended to do on a regular basis. The swapping back and forth between internal and external drives drives should only be done as a way to try to watch what was on the old drive, not as a normal practice for extended periods of time.
     
  11. Rich

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    The cable that comes with the TT should be fine. Some HDDs just won't work with certain HR models. This might be the case here. I've had good luck with the EARX HDDs, but I don't have a Genie. I've only had one eSATA to eSATA cable that I "thought" was bad, but I'm using it now and it's fine. I've had a whole lot of external devices and a whole lot of those cables and they're very reliable. I'd be looking at that HDD. You know the TT isn't the problem, must be the HDD.

    Rich
     
  12. Rich

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    Oops, just read CC's post and he's right. I'll delete my post. Once you get the external HDD hooked up and running, you should forget about the internal drive.

    Rich
     
  13. lucky13

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    Thanks, Rich.

    It turned out the cables were fine. I remember in the early days of eSATA and the HR20, I sometimes had to peel away a bit of the insulation around the eSATA plug to get a good fit in the DVR.

    It seems that the Genie just didn't recognize the external drive. When I swapped drives, the HR24 immediately formatted the 3TB disk. When I connected that back to the HR44, it accepted the external drive without a problem--so quickly, in fact, that I thought it had defaulted to internal again. As I mentioned above, I verified the connections by running the Guided Tests. The eSATA model and serial number came up, and the disk check was successful.

    So it appears the HR44-500 may have a problem initializing the WD30EZRX.

    Something for the knowledge base.

    By the way, thanks for your recommendations for the Thermaltake. What a pleasure to just snap the drive in the dock! Beats trying to hold microscopic screws in place. I don't think I ever fully secured a drive into an enclosure using all the screws.
     
  14. steelgtr

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    We had a lot of problems reported with the WD expanders when they first came out. I bought one that wouldn't work with a 20-700. All they are is an enclosure with an HDD in them. If the chipset fails in the expander, digging (and I do mean digging) the HDD out and using it in another enclosure or dock usually works.

    To get back to this expander: The only way to know if it will work with your Dad's 20-100 is to try it. If I had to take a guess, I'd say it will work, but I've never had a 20-100 that worked, so I can't really say anything for sure.

    Rich
     
  16. Rich

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    We've seen the same problems with several WD HDD models. For some reason they just don't work with some models of the HRs. The EARS are a good example, they wouldn't work at first and then, all of a sudden, they started working.

    The TT docks are really something, aren't they? Couldn't be much simpler. There are problems with them, tho. The on/off switch is iffy at best, I never use the switch myself. Had a couple go bad. The other thing I've seen is when resetting I usually go to the system settings and use that restart option and sometimes the TT docks don't connect properly. Just happened to me yesterday with a dock hooked up to a 24-100. Had to pull the plugs on the HR and the dock and restart them several times to get the HR to recognize the external drive. Over the years, I've had this happen many times with various external devices, so I have to check carefully when I reset all my HRs to make sure each HR is recognizing the external drive.

    I only have two leased HRs with docks on them. I've found the HRs work much better with a larger HDD installed internally and my other 10 HRs all have 2TB WD drives in them. I did have to buy all ten and all ten are owned.

    Rich
     
  17. steelgtr

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    Thanks

    Do you mean you never had a 20-100 at all, or never had one that worked?

    bob
     
  18. Rich

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    I've had quite a few of them, not one worked. That's one of the reasons I bought my own, got sick of getting purportedly "refurbished" HRs that didn't work. They do seem to be doing something different, perhaps using a different contractor or having some oversight on what the contractor is actually doing.

    Rich
     
  19. dminches

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    It looks like yet another TT dock has failed. My hard drive is beeping which I believe means that it does not have enough power. I swapped out the dock and put the drive in and now there is no beeping.

    The TT dock powers up. I have never had this issue before. Have others?
     
  20. P Smith

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    check inside of the dock with a flashlight, perhaps a cockroach stuck inside :)
     

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