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  1. Nov 1, 2010 #1561 of 2284
    rakstr

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    drool - http://shopping.dallasnews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=2519&adid=10079377&subid=31748596&type=

    On the noise thing, all these docking stations are relatively passive devices with pretty much the same drive exposure and footprint. I have used multiple types/models/mfgs in multiple applications for about a year now. I will put money on the statement that in the same situation with the same drive they will produce the same environmental characteristics. They are nothing more than a drop in slot to an interface connection. Whatever noise/vibration the drive produces and whatever heat issues a drive does/doesn't have will be pretty much the same from one to another :)
     
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    The EVDS series of HDDs is pretty quiet any way you choose to use it. In a TT docking station it's usually silent.

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  3. Nov 2, 2010 #1563 of 2284
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    I have a Thermaltake clone and a WD 1.5 TB EVDS, and for weeks after hooking it up I noticed a random very slight noise, only audible when I was in bed at night, that I couldn't identify for quite some time. Eventually I pointed the finger at the new drive, which was sitting on a wooden shelf which was acting like a sort of a sounding board for the slight sound of the drive's head moving.

    After insulating the dock from the shelf with a piece of bubblewrap, the noise is gone.
     
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    Richierich

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    I thought I had read several Posts where EVDS Drives did not work correctly all of the time.
     
  5. Nov 3, 2010 #1565 of 2284
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    That wouldn't surprise me. I bought three EADS and had to send one back. But I've also bought three EVDS HDDs and had no problems with them.

    Could be operator caused problems too. Altho, how you could screw up using an EVDS in a docking station seems difficult, I have managed to do it. Just the other day, I took a Seagate Cuda out of a TT and when I put it back in, I put it in as I would a WD drive. With the label facing me and readable. The Seagates go in with the label facing you, but the label is upside down. Reset the damn thing three or four times and suddenly it dawned on me what I was doing wrong and put it in correctly and it's been fine since. Dumb.

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    Well, you are the First that I have heard of who had a Problem with the EADS Model. Most have reported problems with the EVDS and that kind of surprised me.
     
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    The EADS did work, but it was terribly noisy. As you well know, the EADS are usually very quiet and I returned it to Amazon very quickly.

    The problems with the EVDS HDDs are kind of surprising. But, I'd think that they are selling a lot of them and judging from the loud EADS, their pre-sale testing is not that good. You wouldn't believe how loud that EADS was and I can't believe that it passed any kind of test before they sold it.

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    Maybe you need to buy a can of WD40!!! :lol:
     
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    I just bought one. Squeaky whole house fan!!! :lol:

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  10. Nov 5, 2010 #1570 of 2284
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    I think you may have over-generalized from the thread. This is the best summary I've seen in that thread:

    "With those bits of knowledge I am forced to conclude that the external hard drives and/or the streaming capability aren't at least directly responsible the stuttering/delays. I think they probably pushed out a bad update a few weeks back without testing it on receivers with external hard drives first."

    ...and the majority of that thread is about HR24 series. I've seen no group of comments about the EVDS drives being anything other than fantastic on non 24 series DVRs.

    I'm using the 2 TB models with a Themaltake Dock, and it works perfectly with my HR20-700. There are at least 10 others using this same drive, many in the same dock on a variety of sat boxes, all successfully.

    It appears that there are some problems with some 24 series receivers and some eSATA drives. Some of those worked fine before the last firmware update for the 24s.

    So before issuing a blanket warning about the EVDS drives, I'd be a bit more conservative. There are far more people experiencing excellent results than are having problems and most if not all of those having problems with this drive are using 24 series receivers.

    The drives and enclosures may be just fine, and only the firmware needs to be fixed. I'm not sure I'd try any eSATA drive on a 24 series box yet...they are just way to0 buggy this early in their development cycle.
    There are even reports that the eSATA drives on the 24 series cannot recover from a simple restart of the receiver without going through a disconnect/reconnect, which is plainly silly.

    Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. In this case, I wouldn't even let the baby into the bathroom until the 24 bugs are more thoroughly worked out.:)
     
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    Agree, I do.

    I've come to the conclusion that you cannot restart the 24s with an external device on it in any way other than pulling the power cords on both the 24 and the external device. You can restart the 20-700s just about any way you want to, but the 24s appear to be susceptible to failure if restarted with the Menu Restart or an RBR. The 24s are just different than the 20-700s.

    The above statement only refers to HRs with external HDDs on them.

    In this particular instance, I think it is our fault that the externals appear to be failing or not operating correctly. If used properly, they run well with EVDS drives.

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    Try restarting that setup with the Menu Restart command a few times and see what happens. Try not rebooting properly after an NR comes down and see what happens. Just kidding, don't do that. Do this, pull both power cords. Plug in the external device, give it a bit of time to spin up and then plug in the 24 and you'll not have any problems.

    Theres no compatibility issue with the EVDS drives, it's how we restart the 24s that causes the problems. I think.

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  13. Nov 6, 2010 #1573 of 2284
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    Great news everybody!

    I went to 'borrow' the ESATA cable from my dock today for purposes of duplicating a couple of non-DVR-related external drives. When I went to power off the dock prior to pulling the cable, I noticed (barely) that I had to push the button twice in order to turn it off. "Guess I didn't push it far enough the first time", thought I.

    Well, when I went to power it back up I found that the damn thing wouldn't stay on. It would power up and remain powered, but only as long as I held the button down!

    So apparently something went awry with the tiny bit of plastic responsible for keeping the button 'down', and now I have to rely on a piece of packing tape to do the job. :mad:
     
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    Just to be clear, you're referring to HR24 firmware?
     
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    This post should be deleted. This is gonna cause confusion. Already we see a poster that has no idea what you meant in your last post.

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    rich584, I just deleted that post, since the issue I'm experiencing looks like it's due to be corrected. There are still lots having the pausing issue. I think my post was clear, especially in reference to the link I provided. Still, I have deleted it. Please edit your response to my (now deleted) post and we'll make sure we don't spread incorrect information. My apologies for not doing a little more research or being more specific with my particular setup.
     
  17. SPG900NY

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    Yes. HR24-500. There is a pausing issue mentioned in some other forum threads when people are using Western Digital EVDS drives with certain HR24's (could be a particular manufacturer or something) -- at least it seems like that's the common link. I have a 2TB one, and not sure the manufacturer of my HR24. The issue is that when going through the playlist or sometimes even when fast forwarding a program, the HR24 DVR will just stop responding to remote control input for about 5-15 seconds. During this time, video will continue to play, etc., but the unit seems to stop responding. Once it recovers a few seconds later, all commands you had pressed with the remote have apparently "stacked up" and they're all executed one after the other when the unit starts responding again. It was incredibly annoying, and a reboot did not seem to fix it.

    A new firmware (see the "Cutting Edge" forum) seems to have fixed it for me. Not sure about any others, but almost a week later the HR24-500 is responding normally now.

    rich, I hope that's more clear.
     
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    Ah, it's so easy to make that kind of mistake. We've seen the same type of post many times. Usually made out of frustration and easily forgiven. I didn't give the EVDS line my blessing without buying a couple and trying them out first. The pausing issue doesn't seem to have anything to do with the EVDS line of HDDs, but with the software that we get thru NRs and that's not unexpected. They'll get it right, but patience is demanded with the HRs, all of them. Some get fixed, some never do. They just stop being made, and are used as replacements. Witness the favorite HR of Mike Greer, the 22-100. They gave up trying to fix them and are now, apparently, sending them out as replacements.

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    It was clear from the beginning. I'm assuming you're using the UPL which is a monstrosity that I expect to see fixed sometime in the near future. I can't use it because of the exact problems you have with it "stacking" remote commands and then piling them on all at once. With about 19TBs of storage capacity, it's damn near impossible to use it for anything. I've tried it with and without the EVDS externals and it does the same thing. On everyone of my eleven HRs. They'll fix it.

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  20. SPG900NY

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    Well, I'm recently back to DirecTV after many years, coming from Cablevision, which was using ancient SARA firmware in their DVRs and trying to introduce new feature after new feature with it. The guide was really unusable, and had the same issue with button-stacking, although I'm told they did a major release recently that sped it up to only minorly-frustrating level.

    Yeah, the post was from frustration, but only really because the rest of my DirecTV DVR experience has been so joyful in comparison. This is really a "modern" GUI. And I'm just stunned that DirecTV lets people run beta software through the CE program. That is pretty remarkable, and I'd rather have my service through a company like that than one that won't even tell you why they can't add the two HD channels when you're paying for Center Ice.

    I'm a happy DirecTV camper overall.
     

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