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Working eSata Setups:

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by houskamp, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. bsan

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    It was part of the Google study of HDD failure rates. Its a good read. You can google it for the link
     
  2. bsan

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    Just set this up yesterday

    THR22
    Rosewill RX35-AT-SC
    WD20EURS

    I ran a full scan, no errors. WDIDLE reports Intellipower is disabled (out of the box).

    Fired up first time, no issues.
    I'm inclined to agree that the eSATA cable is the culprit for people experiencing problems. The quality of the cable isn't the prime issue, but the plug depth, rather lack of it may be the ultimate cause.
     
  3. P Smith

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    We shouldn't take the paper blindly.

    It's far from scientific approach if we are talking about particular drives sitting in DTV/dish DVRs.
    I see it very limited (perhaps in lifetime estimation) value here.

    What must be done: test for one/two/three years HDD models with 24/7 long reading/writing (emulate real typical scenario of home DVR) when its temperature around 100F, 120F, 140F and higher.
     
  4. Rich

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    When I started using external devices trimming the jumper cables was commonly thought to be a cure for devices that the HRs would not recognize. I've had an awful lot of external devices over the years and I've not had to trim one cable. I did have one cable that might be bad, but I've still got it and intend to try it on a different dock one of these days. Aside from that one jumper cable, every one I've had worked properly. Still got most of them.

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  5. Rich

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    Good post! Seems like all we see are posts by folks who have vast experience with multitudes of HDDs used in various ways. Those posts probably don't reflect how the HDDs work in DVRs.

    Rich
     
  6. Volman

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    Same with me, Rich. Never had a bad Sata or eSata cable (and I've never bought the high $$ ones). As a matter of fact, in my PC, I have some Chineses ones that were 2/ $1.00! Worked well for 4 years.

    Fred
     
  7. Rich

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    I still use the old Cavalry eSATA's jumper cables because they're very flexible. I think as long as you're not constantly unplugging them and plugging them back in, they should be good. And, even then, I kinda doubt that anything would go wrong.

    Rich
     
  8. hometeamdawg

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    Novice back again.

    I have the
    --Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB SATA Desktop Hard Drive WDBAAY0015HNC...
    --Rosewill RX-358 U3C SLV External Enclosure...
    --I have an HR24-200

    Anyone have a link to the smartest setup and usage? I've read a few threads about menus and powering down and up. Just wondered if there's a consensus on the best way to use this.
     
  9. Rich

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    First, make sure both the HR and the enclosure aren't plugged in and put the HDD in the enclosure, then attach the eSATA to eSATA jumper cable to the external device and the HR.

    Next, power up the enclosure, giving the HDD about a minute to spin up and then power up the HR.

    You should be good to go. If it doesn't work, don't screw around with it, come back and ask for help.

    Rich
     
  10. hometeamdawg

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    Thanks Rich. The HR will ignore its internal drive, is that right? And if you ever want to view what's on the internal drive, you turn everything off, unplug the HR, leave the external device off, and turn the HR back on, correct?
     
  11. Rich

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    Yup, the internal drive is dormant when an external HDD is being read by the HR.

    Yes, make sure you don't disconnect the eSATA to eSATA cables.

    Rebooting to the external HDD is done the same way you first did it.

    Rich
     
  12. Sep 6, 2012 #1952 of 2284
    jimmyd-01

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    I've been following this thread for some time now (excellent information BTW). This is my first post and I'm hoping you can help me out. I want to add an external drive to my hr24/500. Based on other posts in this thread I've decided on:

    WD20EURS drive
    Rosewill RX358 V2

    There might be a problem with the Rosewill enclosure though. Older reviews, at Newgg for example, are excellent. But newer reviews (roughly within the last 6 months) are often negative. (Most of the positive new reviews are from owners describing how well enclosures that they've owned for a year or more are still functioning.) Reviewers of more recently purchased enclosures are citing a problem with the device disconnecting if their hard drive is inactive for a few minutes. They say that if the hard drive has an automatic sleep function, and the drive is inactive long enough to trigger the sleep function, then the enclosure disconnects from the host and only reconnects reluctantly after multiple attempts over a period of several minutes. Owners of both new and old (more than 6 months or so) enclosures say that they don't have the problem with the old ones but do with the new ones. One reviewer said that the controller in the newer models was visibly different than in the older ones. Since, the WD20EURS, like all similar WD drives, has an automatic sleep function that can't be turned off, this has me a bit concerned as to what might happen with disconnects from my HR24. So my questions are:

    1) Would the drive ever be idle long enough (I think 10 minutes is required) to trigger the sleep function when the drive is connected to the HR24 - isn't there continuous activity? What about during bad weather if all satellite signals are lost or under any any other special circumstances?

    2) Does anyone have experience with a Rosewill RX358 V2 purchased within the last couple of months in combination with a WD hard drive? Either positive or negative. Or has anyone heard of problems associated with this particular new Rosewill enclosure issue when in use with a HRxx?

    3) Any other advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
     
  13. Sep 6, 2012 #1953 of 2284
    CCarncross

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    the drive is always writing, even when the dvr is "off" because of the buffering, but if you're concerned, get a different enclosure, there are plenty of other good ones.
     
  14. Sep 6, 2012 #1954 of 2284
    P Smith

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    Isn't turning OFF killing buffering of current channel ?
     
  15. Sep 7, 2012 #1955 of 2284
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    Actually, that's not necessarily always true anymore, if you have an HR34. It does not always buffer when it's turned off in certain situations.. However, it may at the bare minimum always be reading or writing guide data.
     
  16. Sep 7, 2012 #1956 of 2284
    Rich

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    I'd just use a Thermaltake docking station instead of an enclosure. You won't have problems with that. As a rule, the TT docks are very dependable.

    Rich
     
  17. P Smith

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    Some technical info for curious minds.
    Here is extorts from system logs; it's show a few attempts to use external drive small size and big size.
    Side effect of this research came after reading the logs: the internal chip (BCM7401) has 4 SATA Ports multiplier: first [0] channel connected to internal drive, second [1] - to eSATA port on back and two others doesn't using (big reserve !). The ports support a speed up 3 Gbps and can negotiate down to 1.5 Gbps as it happen with Toshiba 2.5" 80 GB SATA. The drive works fine although user space is very low, but it taking much less power and generate much less heat.

    Code:
    1. Normal boot: one internal drive:
     
     kernel: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510000 ctl 0xB0510020 bmdma 0xB0510030 irq 42
     kernel: ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510100 ctl 0xB0510120 bmdma 0xB0510130 irq 42
     kernel: scsi0 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl F0000)
     kernel: ata1.15: Port Multiplier 1.1, 0x11ab:0x4140 r193, 4 ports, feat 0x5/0x1f
     kernel: ata1.00: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.00: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.01: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.01: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.02: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.02: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.03: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.03: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: calling spinup from eh
     kernel: ata1.00: ATA-8, max UDMA/133, 976773168 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)
     kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
     kernel: ata1: EH complete
     kernel: scsi1 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)
     kernel:   Vendor: ATA   Model: ST3500312CS   Rev: SC13
     kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 976773168 512-byte hdwr sectors (500108 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 976773168 512-byte hdwr sectors (500108 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel:  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3
     kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
    
    2. Boot with two HDD: internal and external 80 GB - external 80 G HDD was not taken:
    
     kernel: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510000 ctl 0xB0510020 bmdma 0xB0510030 irq 42
     kernel: ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510100 ctl 0xB0510120 bmdma 0xB0510130 irq 42
     kernel: scsi0 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl F0000)
     kernel: ata1.15: Port Multiplier 1.1, 0x11ab:0x4140 r193, 4 ports, feat 0x5/0x1f
     kernel: ata1.00: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.00: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.01: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.01: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.02: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.02: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.03: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.03: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: calling spinup from eh
     kernel: ata1.00: ATA-8, max UDMA/133, 976773168 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)
     kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
     kernel: calling spinup from eh
     kernel: ata1.01: ATA-7, max UDMA/100, 156301488 sectors: LBA48 
     kernel: ata1.01: ata1: dev 0 multi count 16
     kernel: ata1.01: configured for UDMA/100
     kernel: ata1: EH complete
     kernel: scsi1 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)
     kernel:   Vendor: ATA   Model: ST3500312CS   Rev: SC13
     kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 976773168 512-byte hdwr sectors (500108 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 976773168 512-byte hdwr sectors (500108 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel:  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3
     kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
     kernel:   Vendor: ATA   Model: TOSHIBA MK8034GS  Rev: AH30
     kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
     kernel: SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
     kernel: sdb: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
     kernel: SCSI device sdb: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
     kernel: sdb: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
     kernel:  sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3
     kernel: sd 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi disk sdb
    
    3. Force to use external 80 GB by disconnecting internal 500 GB - success:
    
     kernel: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510000 ctl 0xB0510020 bmdma 0xB0510030 irq 42
     kernel: ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510100 ctl 0xB0510120 bmdma 0xB0510130 irq 42
     kernel: scsi0 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl F0000)
     kernel: ata1.15: Port Multiplier 1.1, 0x11ab:0x4140 r193, 4 ports, feat 0x5/0x1f
     kernel: ata1.00: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.00: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.01: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.01: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.02: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.02: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.03: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.03: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: calling spinup from eh
     kernel: ata1.01: ATA-7, max UDMA/100, 156301488 sectors: LBA48 
     kernel: ata1.01: ata1: dev 0 multi count 16
     kernel: ata1.01: configured for UDMA/100
     kernel: ata1: EH complete
     kernel: scsi1 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)
     kernel:   Vendor: ATA   Model: TOSHIBA MK8034GS  Rev: AH30
     kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel:  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3
     kernel: sd 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi disk sda
    
    4. Boot with bigger external HDD 1.5 TB:
    
     kernel: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510000 ctl 0xB0510020 bmdma 0xB0510030 irq 42
     kernel: ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB0510100 ctl 0xB0510120 bmdma 0xB0510130 irq 42
     kernel: scsi0 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl F0000)
     kernel: ata1.15: Port Multiplier 1.1, 0x11ab:0x4140 r193, 4 ports, feat 0x5/0x1f
     kernel: ata1.00: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.00: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.01: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.01: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.02: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.02: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: ata1.03: soft resetting port
     kernel: ata1.03: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
     kernel: calling spinup from eh
     kernel: ata1.00: ATA-8, max UDMA/133, 976773168 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)
     kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
     kernel: calling spinup from eh
     kernel: ata1.01: ATA-8, max UDMA/133, 2930277168 sectors: LBA48 
     kernel: ata1.01: configured for UDMA/133
     kernel: ata1: EH complete
     kernel: scsi1 : sata_svw
     kernel: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)
     kernel:   Vendor: ATA   Model: ST3500312CS   Rev: SC13
     kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 976773168 512-byte hdwr sectors (500108 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel: SCSI device sda: 976773168 512-byte hdwr sectors (500108 MB)
     kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
     kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
     kernel: SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
     kernel:  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3
     kernel: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
     kernel:   Vendor: ATA   Model: ST31500341AS  Rev: CC1H
     kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 05
     kernel: SCSI device sdb: 2930277168 512-byte hdwr sectors (1500302 MB)
    
    All tests done with TT BlacX dock and its stock eSATA-eSATA [I-I] cable.
     
  18. franklin_planner

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    This is the setup I just went with. WD 2TB AV-GP drive. No problems yet.

    How reliable is an external drive compared with opening the box and replacing the internal drive?

    2TB of DVR goodness!!!!
     
  19. Rich

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    Just my opinion and I own a bunch of HRs, but I think they work better with a large (2TB) drive installed internally. Just my opinion.

    Rich
     
  20. bsan

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    Just bought one of these last month with a WD20EURS. hooked up to HR34. fired right up.
    I normally turn the HR34 "off"/standby when not watching. I've not noticed any missed recordings. HTH.
     

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