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Worst call ever?

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by SPACEMAKER, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. Earl Bonovich

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    But in that exact same segment, the discussion was on the "spirit" of the rule.

    That was a catch.. plain and simple (and yes, I am a die-hard Bears fan).
    But because a rule, was there... that has a strict interpretation area... it was rule incomplete.

    And tomorrow... the Bears players should either say nothing, or honestly say what they think about the play.

    Lovie is already a twitt for his comment on it. paraphrase clear, no need for a replay. Right...
     
  2. tfederov

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    Oh well, here we go again..... I'm still a Lions fan through all of this.
     
  3. la24philly

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    i didnt see the game or play yet but sounds like another great job by our officals even with replay.

    But the worst call I ever saw was the umpire who did the phillies marlins about 6 weeks ago. the guy that called a fair ball foul. davidson i think is the umps name.


    I'm a phillies fan and we got a huge break yes but man FLA got hosed.
     
  4. Davenlr

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    In all fairness, the refs got the call right, its the RULE that is ridiculous, and open to 100 different interpretations. They need to get rid of the rule, and a bunch of other stupid rules. As the article above reference, even a toddler know the difference between a catch and a non-catch. Apparently the NFL rulemakers want to make it a 10 minute video replay fiasco to tell. The article above has it spot on.

    Watching the RZC today, I have NEVER seen so many video replays of obvious calls initiated by the "BOOTH".
     
  5. la24philly

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    dan i think thats why they invented drinks for the people on the ****ty end of a call
     
  6. fluffybear

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    +1

    It's a rule the NFLmay need to look at during the off season and tweak a bit.
     
  7. n3ntj

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    They keep talking about it being a bad call and what not, but I haven't heard anywhere what the actual rule is that was being enforced 'correctly'. I saw the guy catch the ball in the end zone, land on two feet in bounds with control of the ball, and that looks like a touchdown. Why exactly is this NOT a touchdown??
     
  8. Sackchamp56

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    This rule neds to be changed immediately. This is the second time that the rule has changed the outcome of a game recently. The same call was made in last seasons opener Raiders vs Chargers against louis Murphy. It cost the Raiders that game as well.
     
  9. Scott Kocourek

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    Honestly Lovie's call to go for it on 4th and goal was much worse than the officials call. After all the officials got the call right, but only because the rule is stupid.
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    The rule, screwy as it is, says that IF you are in the air when you make the catch (as opposed to already having 2 feet on the ground) that you have to main control of the ball all the way through the catch AND landing back on the ground.

    In the field of play, they have the "make a football move" rule... so you can catch, then drop, and it is incomplete unless you had possession long enough to do something else.

    In the end zone, there is no "make a move" usually because breaking the plane of the goal-line makes it a score...

    So the grey area comes into play in the end zone as to when the catch is complete.

    In most people's eyes, the play is complete when the player controls the ball cleanly AND is 2-feet down (or knees + butt down). The hand doesn't count in this case because in the field of play a hand can be used to re-steady yourself and stay up rather than down by contact.

    The problem with the rule, in this specific case, is... it requires an official to essentially judge whether the catch process was complete and player was down on the ground and the ball came loose OR it was incomplete because he didn't maintain the ball OR it was a TD and he let go of the ball as he was getting up.

    The "getting up" part is the nebulous area where the ref has to decide if that release of the ball was at the end of the catch process OR when the player was getting up to celebrate.

    So I think the rule was called as correctly as it could under the circumstances... but again, it is a crap rule that needs to be looked at again.
     
  11. Lord Vader

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    Thank GOD Commissioner Selig didn't reverse that call! It would have been worse than the original umpire's error.

    So you think it should have been reversed, huh? Then answer this question: If that bad call was the first call of the game, and every succeeding batter had been retired for a near-perfect game, should it have been reversed as well? What would you have done with the extra out recorded in that inning and the rest of the guys who followed?
     
  12. Lord Vader

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    No it wouldn't, because the receiver would have then become a runner, and the rules are different for runners compared to receivers.
     
  13. Lord Vader

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    This rule has been in place since 1999. Every season it seems it comes up at least once. I doubt they'll change it, especially considering it's been around for a while and by the time the offseason rolls around, it may be forgotten.
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    I don't think I heard anyone argue that baseball call should have been reversed IF it had come earlier in the game or in the middle of an inning.

    I think the major reason for outcry for a reversal was because it would have been the last play of the game AND the very next play resulted in an out that did end the game... so reversing that call and awarding the perfect game that had been earned would not have affected any meaningful statistics.

    Errors at other points in a game really can't be redacted after the fact because of the reason you gave (and others).
     
  15. Lord Vader

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    If they cannot be changed at earlier points of a game, then they must not be changed at later points. It makes a mockery of the game and cheapens it. As much as I dislike Selig, he made the right decision. The umpires on the field are the ones responsible for making the calls. Selig isn't.
     
  16. Stewart Vernon

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    How does letting a bad call at the end of the game stand end up being less of a mockery than everyone pretending the bad call didn't happen?

    If a policeman pulls you over because he was following a car just like yours... and he writes you a ticket for running a stop sign that you didn't run... That should stand, right? I mean, even if the policeman realizes he pulled over the wrong guy and you find proof that it wasn't you... you should still pay the ticket, because we can't go back and correct things?

    Correcting bad calls in the middle of the game are murky because teams play differently under different circumstances... so even though a bad call is unfair, you can't say what effects it had on the rest of the game just to take that one bad call out.

    But in a game that ends on the very next play after the bad call... and the same team would win either way... it's hard to argue that the bad call can't be rescinded in that case.

    You can't go back and do it weeks later though... You pretty much have to do it within a few days before other teams' overall standings are affected for playoff positioning.

    But more to the point... IF officials are supposed to be there to make calls and enforce the rules and make the game outcome fair and right... there's no point in having officials IF every effort isn't going to be made to back them up (replay in-game) and correct all the correctable mistakes.

    A playground game without officials at all would be better than having an official make obvious bad/wrong calls that change the outcome of the game.
     
  17. Lord Vader

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    No one pretended it didn't happen. It did; it was a part of the game. End of story.

    Please. You can't even make such a comparison between a baseball game and a legal situation.


    Either it is rescinded (the very term is offensive to the game) in both cases or neither. To allow for it in one case and not the other is illogical and unfair.

    A few days??? Good Lord, what a mess that would make! Even a protest of a ruling must be done before the next pitch or play, and if occurring on the final ruling of a game, before noon the next day.
     
  18. yosoyellobo

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    I don't have a horse in this race but I wonder if this had been the final play of the Super Bowl and it had cause less say the Saints a repeat victory how would they have rule.
     
  19. Lord Vader

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    The same way they did yesterday. I have no doubt.
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    Yes, the complaint should be registered immediately following the end of the game.. I agree there.

    I was just meaning (in this case MLB) that the decision to correct the mistake would need to be made by the governing body within a couple of days. You cant let it fester for a month and then go back to last month and rescind a bad call. IF they did it, it would have had to be done VERY quickly in the timeline after the end of the game.

    Also... in the football game, the ref made the correct call on the incomplete catch... so while we all feel for Detroit, everyone has to recognize that it wasn't a "bad call"... it was proper enforcement of a bad rule!

    In the baseball game, it was a bad call... which makes the two scenarios very different in terms of how you'd seek to resolve them.

    For the NFL game, you'd hope the league would revisit and change the rule... but that wouldn't affect the past because the rule was applied correctly by the official. For the MLB game, if they'd decided in those next 24-48 hours after the game to take back that call and award the perfect game I think that would have been fine... but weeks or now months later there is really no point talking about it because they can't go back and change it now.
     

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