XStreamHD Press Conference

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  1. Jan 8, 2008 #1 of 53
    Chris Blount

    Chris Blount Creator of DBSTalk Staff Member Administrator DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jun 22, 2001
  2. Jan 8, 2008 #2 of 53
    Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

    Nov 15, 2005
    XStreamHD was a very interesting press conference.

    Tom and I were sitting right behind Ben (the author of the Engadget Blog linked).

    Later on today, or tomorrow... I will post some of my comments and feelings about XStreamHD
  3. Jan 8, 2008 #3 of 53
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    XstreamHD Press Conference
    Michael Douglas—Investor
    talked passionately about the movie going experience now available at home. 1080p, with subtle details only visible at high data rates from XtreamHD.

    George Gonzales Founder
    Comes in the form of whole home solution with a Media Server and HD receiver (clients).

    Media server is not video on demand—it’s better. Letting the end consumer see what is coming out from the comfort of their home. Trailers, synopsis, actors, etc. Then downloading as soon as the studio releases the title.

    Virtual Personal library. Rent or Own. No channels, no schedule.

    Participates in DLNA, level 1.5 certified. Pioneer plasma, PS3, Pioneer blu-ray player are existingDLNA clients.

    Media server can stream to multiple receivers simultaneously. Up to 4 at one time.

    They have DTS and Seagate Technologies partnerships. DTS lossless Master Audio featured.

    Not new encoding technologies, just a new transport mechanism. Starts with master sources from studios at the highest data stream rates.

    Delivered via satellite, using existing satellite assets. (Tho not yet leased.)

    Multiple streams delivered via satellite. XstreamHD brings the title information to consumer months in advance, they can select at their leisure. As soon as studio releases title, it then is downloaded to your server. (In the future also distribute via IP)

    Many formats supported: MPEG2, MPEG4, Dolby, etc. at upto 80mbs stream rate.

    Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift
    was produced at 80mbs stream rate and will be available at that rate.

    OTA included as well. 3 OTA channels simultaneously!

    Adaptive recording, dynamically adjusts start and end times to prevent sports overrun and show shifting. Patent is pending.

    Launch in October, covering North America including US and Canada.

    No signed deals with studios yet.

    Service model likely will be a hybrid model of some subscription and PPV/rental/own of content as dictated by studios.

    Sell cycle: direct market approach via website. Professional installers as well as DIY.

    Self install drives for added capacity.

    There are 3 models: 500gb, 1tb, 2tb. eSATA is supported, part of the Seagates Technologies partnership.

    Not using Linux.

    Can upload your media to the media server for distribution.

    Transport can deliver full length title in 15 minutes.

    HD Receiver has HDMI 1.3 audio, DTS, component, and composite. (no S-video) For audio, SPDIF optical and coax.
  4. Jan 8, 2008 #4 of 53
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    My thought is that this could easily be a replacement for HD-DVD and Blu-ray, (traditional) Video on Demand, and/or Netflix.

    Today this is XstreamHD is passion, technology, vision, hardware, and business hopes, IMHO. Very powerful statement, but still lacking the key business agreements/partnerships with satellite, installers, sales channels, and most importantly studios.

    That does not mean to denigrate the value proposition. It sounds wonderful. To be able to host my entire library without having to acquire optical players in every room, yet have better HD than Blu-ray or HD-DVD would be fantastic.

    Movies in my house potentially faster then I could pick them up at Blockbuster. Certainly faster than netflix could deliver in a hard format. And likely faster than traditional IP.

    They are heading forth. Price points and content will be key. With many of the technological problems already solved (it seems), if they can get the pricing right and the studio support, this could be awesome.

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    digitalfreak Legend

    Nov 29, 2006
    I'm a bit concerned this will end up going the way of Voom... Definately sounds interesting though.
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    VeniceDre Hall Of Fame

    Aug 16, 2006
    First thing I thought of also, Voom... However, I'll still be checking the tech out and see how it develops.
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    bigpuma Legend

    Feb 15, 2004
    No signed deals with studios? Why do I get the feeling that is going to kill them.
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    Drewg5 Icon

    Dec 15, 2006
    St. Louis
    I would very much like to see this come to the market place, in at very least the tech that is going into it. Man how I wish some of the others went this way...
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    slimline Legend

    Oct 29, 2007

  10. Marvin

    Marvin Godfather

    Sep 13, 2003
    Two questions:

    1 - what the heck is DLNA certified and can I safely assume my 4 year old CRT HD TV isnt?

    2 - what size dish is it going to need?
  11. zeagus

    zeagus Cool Member

    Jun 13, 2007
    swiped from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA

    The Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) (formerly Digital Home Working Group) is an international, cross-industry collaboration of consumer electronics, computing industry and mobile device companies. The main objective of DLNA is the establishment of a wired and wireless interoperable network of personal computers (PC), consumer electronics (CE) and mobile devices in the home and on the road, enabling a seamless environment for sharing new digital media and content services. DLNA is focused on delivering an interoperability framework of design guidelines based on internationally recognized open industry standards together with a certification and logo program to officially verify and validate the conformance and interoperability of compliant products for the consumers.


    So basically, DLNA certifies devices to share content and services on the network using a shared interoperability spec. TVersity, for example, serving content to my PS3 or HR20 is an implementation of a DLNA or UPnP AV compliant media server setup. And yeah, on question 2, thats probably a safe bet :)
  12. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    My sense is that normally this might not have been announced so prominently at this time, but CES is when it is. It sounds great in concept, now they need to fill in the rest of the pieces to make it real. When they do, this could fly very nicely.

    Not as a replacement for DIRECTV or Dish. As a potential replacement for Netflix, Blockbuster, HD-DVD, Blu-ray?

  13. MIKE0616

    MIKE0616 Godfather

    Dec 13, 2006
    The press release I saw said the main unit was going to be around $399 but no word on the monthly charge.

    While it sounds a bit like Voom, its a whole-house system, supplying supplying 4 HDTVs per unit and recording 3 ATSC shows OTA and able to get satellite programming as well.

    The questions about deals with studios and the lack of satellites is what I did not see in the press release. The unit sounds a LOT like a TiVo to me, only much more advanced.

    Expected target date of 4th Qtr 08 to product launch, so we will see what actually makes it to market.
  14. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    At the press conference, they gave this example of how to think about the service: "Imagine going into a video store and picking up 200 of your favorite movies and taking them home. Watch any of them you want, when you want. Hold on to them as long as you want. Return a few if you are done with them. You don't have to wait for a movie to show up on the schedule. It's already there."

    This is going to be nothing like Netflix, Voom or HBO. More like a Video on Demand that happens to have your full library of your favorite movies. :)

  15. jginaz

    jginaz Cool Member

    Sep 26, 2007
    I asked the lady at the booth if they would be using satellite for their programming and she said well... maybe. I didn't see the announcement so didn't know anything about this service when I went to the booth (an understated term for their display). I thought that was a pretty unusual answer. I guess there aren't any agreements in place for delivery of the service. They must have lots of investment money since the booth was very elaborate.

  16. Ron Barry

    Ron Barry 622 Tips & Trick Keeper

    Dec 10, 2002
    Your DBSTalk moderators on site at CES2008 are proud to give you this peek into Xtreame HD press conference from the Consumer Electronics show!

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    Dec 10, 2002
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  19. OneOfOne

    OneOfOne Legend

    Sep 19, 2006
    this seems to me to be pointless unless you live in the boonies. youre going to stream hd movies to a server in your residence instead of using the established [or future] services that do this in hard copy? why? and if you lose power or have a destructive event in your home then what? power goes out while you are downloading? maybe I am missing something but there isnt much substance to this 'announcement', and to me its pointless. if I am a cable company why wouldnt I just bury this outfit with upgraded VoD? we all know people using netflix and the like to build their libraries by copying, not that I condone it. why are these people going for this service? not to mention rain fade. using their own concept, when is the last time anyone rented more than 10 movies at once? can you even name 200 movies? I mark this as vaporware.

    now that I have had a few minutes to think about it there is a better way to do this. its called filesharing. all you would need is upgraded network infrastructure for downloading, something on the order of what they have in asia [20-30mbs or higher] and download movies to a box in your entertainment room. put drm on them so you cant copy or share but CAN mrv. make it a LEGITIMATE bittorent style service. use the storage tech like kaliedescope does. THEN you would have something.
  20. spoonman

    spoonman Icon

    Feb 21, 2007
    I think this could very easily replace Netfilx. My biggest complaint about downloading movies is its way too slow. Based on what I have read the last day or two this will solved that problem and I would have no problem canceling my Netflix for this service.

    And one thing that is driving me nuts about Netflix right now is how long it now takes to get a movie on Blu-Ray. If I could go home tonight and watch movies that just came out yesterday and not have to wait weeks to get them Netflix is big deal to me...
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