Your Android Phone Is Secretly Recording Everything You Do

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Greg Alsobrook, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. Sgt. Slaughter

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    The thing that makes this troublesome is if you watch the video the guy puts his phone in airplane mode and shows the logcat of what the carrieriq stuff is doing still.
    They tried to sue him, and he got backed by EFF and they quickly pulled the suit and issued a statement saying what their software does and doesn't do. One of those things they said it doesn't do is record keystrokes or contents of messages. Both shown in the video to be flat out lies.

    I'm all for them doing what they say its "supposed" to do in which it monitors network performance and also users habits, and allows logs to be sent if there is a crash of some sort. That all in all helps manufacturers make phones better and carriers get to network issues quicker....least you would hope so. I'm fully aware at work each thing i type in the computer is logged b/c im told such. CarrierIQ's privacy policy is nowhere on the devices its installed on and thats a big nono.

    The tough battle here will be fighting carrieriq as they r in bed with Nielsen ratings and thats no small company there.

    *conspiracy hat on- they likely just pay sprint $ and then auction off all the user data to the highest bidder as all the information collected is valuable to someone.
    As someone stated its not in verizon phones, but i wouldn't be surprised if they dont have their own thing they use themselves....

    Its truely amazing how deep this is put in the device. I'm over at xda a lot and its hard to even put a figure on the amount of time these guys have spent digging through all the code and removing it, more than months at the very least. Each time they think they have got it, they find something else.
     
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    I'm betting there are a lot of large firms that had no idea this software existed, if it really did send keystroke logs to the carrier or Carrier IQ.
     
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    don;t know don;t care - went through the video and followed step by step on how to determine if it is on my HTC Inspire - none of the indicators, apps or processes where on the phone or running.
     
  7. phrelin

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    As I said before, I discovered long ago that the best practice is to pretend that a news reporter is watching and listening to my activities 24/7. And long ago I figured out that given the billions and billions of bytes of electronic data out there, it's unlikely someone is paying much attention to me.

    With that said, many have learned the hard way about the "searchability" of never-disappearing email, and that's only the tip of the potential lawfully "subpoenable" info the electronic world has created.

    Unfortunately, the truth is that most sole-practitioner attorneys and small law firms don't even know what a competent IT person looks like. In fact, most small businesses and small local governments rely upon the guy who hung out a shingle because he once built a computer from a kit and discovered business will pay well for time from someone who appears to know more about computers than the janitor.

    As an old guy, my concern is about the cumulative effect of (this is what I can think of):
    • Lack of privacy on the internet
    • Lack of privacy associated with email
    • Lack of privacy on phone conversations being scanned by government super-computers
    • Lack of privacy on cell phones that can be monitored with the right scanner equipment
    • Now Lack of privacy on cell phones because of built in keystroke recording firmware
    • Lack of privacy because of store loyalty discount cards
    • Lack of privacy because of the electronics in vehicles
    • Lack of privacy because of all the stationary traffic and scanning security cameras
    • And now, lack of privacy because of drone aircraft video cameras
    Basically, 100 years ago people didn't have the benefits that this stuff brings, but none of this was a privacy problem. The issue can't simply be dismissed with "I don't do anything illegal" or "I don't have anything to hide."

    In fact, we all do things that are technically illegal like speeding or perhaps unknowingly wiring up something electrical without a permit that the local electrical code would require a permit for.

    And while I don't have "anything to hide" sounds good, I do stumble around doing things I'd rather not appear on YouTube because I might be subject to humorous ridicule.

    Two sides - benefit and risk - exist. At the extreme end, people can be saved from death and injury due to the thwarting of terrorist acts. But more people could be blackmailed into doing something that is harmful to others.

    IMHO we won't reach some critical mass on the privacy issue until after I'm dead. But it will become a problem for my grandchildren. Of course, the government will be there to help them....:rolleyes:
     
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    I like lookout and all but without proof i dont buy it 100%. they have the ability to do anything they want as described before and can "call" "x" devices to report to them "x" things. Fact they log it to begin with is too suspect to just say they dont get that info ever.
     
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    Yeah, early information I read yesterday and the day before indicated it was on all HTCs. I was glad to read today that Verizon says 100% absolutely positively they do not have Carrier IQ on their phones...
     
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  13. wingrider01

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    Have a HTC Inspire through ATT, no indication it is installed on it
     
  14. SayWhat?

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    Well, I guess the lawyers are going to get theirs.......


    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222378/Carrier_IQ_HTC_Samsung_hit_with_class_action_lawsuits
     
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    Is this really a backdoor to the National Security Agency?
    Is Carrier IQ an NSA front?
    What does Verizon embed in their phones that performs the same function?

    And just because you have something to hide doesn't automatically imply nefarious activities.

    --- CHAS
     
  16. hdtvfan0001

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    I'm sure Oliver Stone has been monitoring this thread as a candidate for his next book.
     
  17. spartanstew

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    Neither of our phones (wife and I) have Carrier IQ on them. I have the HTC Droid Incredible (Verizon) and she has the LG Optimus T (T-Mobile)
     
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    Well ain't this a major kick in the head! Not really, it's just that the only way I can find old posts of mine is to put up a new post then click my name and search for other posts by me. Hint to forum masters...
     
  19. phrelin

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    Are you using a tablet? Because on a computer you just do it from the advanced search menu.
     

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