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Your opinions: How should DIRECTV compete against Dish's Hopper?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Mar 29, 2012.

  1. Apr 8, 2012 #141 of 209
    unixguru

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    It's not a terrible no-no. A robust hardware and software design, which is what any consumer device should be, will not be adversely affected by a hard reset. Power does fail and the device must be able to handle that with ease - so pulling the power cord or pushing a hard reset button shouldn't be any more difficult. It uses XFS - a journalling filesystem that survives this kind of thing with ease. If D* has issues with these kinds of things then it is because their software is not as robust as it should be. I've never experienced a problem with it and I pull the power after every software update.

    Agreed.

    Doubtful any of these kinds of devices can honestly claim to be as robust as they should be.

    That's a good one - by design :nono2:

    Only by design to mask the rest of the bad design.
     
  2. Apr 9, 2012 #142 of 209
    Ira Lacher

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    Has anyone suggested that to illustrate to subs how great their HR34s are, simply offer to upgrade all subs to the new boxes?
     
  3. Apr 9, 2012 #143 of 209
    Alan Gordon

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    They already do that...


    ... for $399. :D

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  4. Apr 9, 2012 #144 of 209
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    My mIan point is people need to stop telling everyone a rbr is just fine and that's it's a soft reset, because it's not.

    Tell me, do you believe it's good form to hard reset a computer while it's downloading data? Because that's what you do if you do a hard reset on a sat box. It's always downloading guide data, not to mention what other things it might be doing in the background. Can you make a workaround for that, sure, but why make the machine do more work, and probably take up more resources to fix an issue that was created simply because someone hit the red button instead of using the menu reset option? Especially when we know it needs to use its resources as wisely as possible.

    No I have never had an issue with doing a hardware reset either, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done that way.
     
  5. Apr 9, 2012 #145 of 209
    Ira Lacher

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    $399 ... nothing. $399 ... nothing.

    The Hopper is better.
     
  6. Apr 9, 2012 #146 of 209
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    Hopper - record 6 things at once (up to 4 of those you probably don't want)
    HR34 - Record 5 things at once (all of those are things you want) - I like this one

    seems clear to me...
     
  7. Apr 9, 2012 #147 of 209
    lparsons21

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    Might be clear to you, but the general population watches a hell of a lot of broadcast TV and they might be a better target market for the Hopper/Joey than the power users. Especially considering they outnumber us by quite a bit.
     
  8. Apr 9, 2012 #148 of 209
    kevinturcotte

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    What I SERIOUSLY think Directv should do is come out with a 16 tuner SWM LNB. Have an 8 tuner HD DVR. Scrap the RVU clients and come out with An H30 receiver that has a single tuner, can do MRV, and has a small hard drive in it for Trickyplay of Live Tv. Other manufacturers can come with RVU client Tvs if they wish, and for people that truly want a room without a receiver, this will work.
    This ALSO beats Dish's Hopper. At most, that can record 6 channels at once during prime time. The 8 tuner DVR could record all 4 local channels during prime time, and still have 4 tuners left over for other channels.
     
  9. Apr 9, 2012 #149 of 209
    RunnerFL

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    Let's not forget, and I haven't seen it mentioned here or I just skimmed over it, that the hopper only keeps those recordings for 8 days. With the HR34 you can keep them as long as you want and have space.
     
  10. Apr 9, 2012 #150 of 209
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    Me too. I don't like it when the DVR records things I don't tell it to record. That's the reason I turn off TiVo Suggestions on every unit I've owned. If I want prime-time network shows I'll take care of that. I have alternate means of entertainment if I find nothing has been recorded overnight.

    Hopper/Joey...:rolleyes: Maybe DirecTV could come up with a whole home DVR system where the components are named after "Seinfeld" characters. "Let's see what's on the 'Kramer' tonight".

    And as far as the $399 offer goes, there's a thread on these boards where an existing DISH customer got the exact same quote when he called about H&J. You have to be out of commitment, a valued customer, and willing to change providers most of the time to get the best offer. Personally I don't really want a renewed commitment. Yeah, the HR2xs I have aren't the greatest, but I'm not certain I'm going to stay w/ DirecTV after my account reactivates in late August. I have no doubt that I won't go to DISH Network due to lack of HD locals and RSNs. I know there are those for whom it's a perfect fit, but not for me.
     
  11. Apr 9, 2012 #151 of 209
    Alan Gordon

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    You can manually save those recordings beyond 8 days.

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  12. Apr 9, 2012 #152 of 209
    lparsons21

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    Actually, just set a recurring recording for what you want as well as the PTAT and it will record it and save it every time without using any more tuners.
     
  13. Apr 9, 2012 #153 of 209
    Alan Gordon

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    That too... :D


    Personally, I think if (insert satco here) came out with a six-tuner (at the very least) HMC with a super-fast elegant GUI, PTAT, and a robust HD VOD selection, (insert satco here) would have a killer piece of hardware.

    As it is, I still think both have their pluses and minuses.

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  14. Apr 9, 2012 #154 of 209
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    I thought the user space on the Hopper was 500GB?, and isn't that MPEG2?

    HR34 is mostly 1TB usable, 220+ hours of HD. I'm assuming that the user area is somewhere about 100MB, and everything is MPEG4.

    While RVU can do "live" Trickplay, an H25 client doesn't steal a tuner, can do recording Trickplay, and can do MRV to any DVR if you have more then one DVR. Much more flexible, and has been mentioned a few times, the 5 tuners are independent.

    Once they get a nice clean firmware for the HR34, you really can't beat the HR34/H25 combination, other then maybe a cache to do "live" Trickplay.
     
  15. Apr 9, 2012 #155 of 209
    inkahauts

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    I don't think that's a good way to put it. There is no way you can say that power users are the ones watching cable channels and non power users are the ones watching network tv, which is what your post suggests.

    And as I mentioned before, it's really split in half between cable and networks. I thinks there is a very large segment of the general population that will find the hopper attractive, but just as big a general market segment that will find the HR34 attractive.
     
  16. Apr 9, 2012 #156 of 209
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    Rvu clients with a 8 tuner DVR is fine, no need for tuners in the clients at that point, for the vast vast majority of people. the whole point of rvu is to lower costs of clients in general, and adding a tuner back in defeats the purpose.
     
  17. Apr 9, 2012 #157 of 209
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    It is 500GB and does not include the space used by PTAT. And all Dish HD is MPEG4, the 250 hours of HD supposedly is based on that. SD can be either MPEG4 or 2 depending on which arc you are on. Eastern arc is all MPEG4.

    I don't know what the user space is on the HR34 so I can't address that.

    As to the flexibility, yes the D* solution is more flexible at the price of management of recordings. But is the right solution for those that don't watch/record much broadcast or like a lot of live viewing, imo.

    As to that nice clean firmware, well as far as I and a lot of users are concerned, we're 6 years and waiting to see that on any of the HRs. They had it right for a very short time with the HR24s before they 'upgraded' to the HDGUI. Otherwise it has all been slow. :(

    IMO, D* needs to get a unified todo list and series manager out soon. And I don't mean D* 'soon' either!! :)
     
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    I know Eastern Arc is all MPEG4. That's how they get like 20 - 22 SD channels on one transponder. And since they use Ku Band the rain fade margins aren't as bad as Ka band. So they can also take a chance on 8PSK modulation w/ Turbo FEC, which allows them to push as many as 8 HD channels on one Transponder. I know you do the TP checking for DirecTV and You never see that many channels on 1 tp. Not as long as they stick to Ka and standard QPSK.
     
  19. dexware

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    I highly doubt they are using QPSK on their KA satellites.
     
  20. Alan Gordon

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    I'm not going to say that the HRxx GUI is my favorite UI I've ever used, because it's not, and I can certainly understand one's irritation at older boxes, but I'm :eek2: at your HR24 comment.

    I think the HR24s are perfectly acceptable in regards to their speed.

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