Your remaining 'wish list' for Dish programming?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by pmjones, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. inazsully

    inazsully Icon

    Oct 3, 2006
    Because I record so much content on a weekly basis I find myself recording at least 20 hours using OTA. Being the nosy person I am I can't help but compare OTA vs "E" PQ. Comparing nightly broadcasts like NCIS, Bones, Vampire Diaries, Blue Bloods, Castle, as well as NFL games on ESPN, CBS, and FOX, baseball games on FSNAZ and PAC-12 Channel, boxing on HBO and ESPN 2, I see no noticeable differences between OTA and "E". I really expected to and actually was hoping I would. I've asked my wife many times for her opinion and she agrees with me. Sony 60A3000.
  2. sregener

    sregener Godfather

    Apr 17, 2012
    Many people cannot see the differences. I wish I was one of them. And it no doubt varies by market - if the local spot beams are full, then they have to compress more than an area where the local spot beams have plenty of bandwidth.

    The two things to look for are 1) color depth - how rich and vibrant are the colors? An overcompressed picture will look dull. And 2) pixelization - parts of the screen going to blocks. The blockiness is temporary, and almost always on visually busy screens, so it can be hard to detect.

    I recorded the finale of American Idol last year, and as the confetti flew, the screen was a horrible mess of large pixels on Dish, but OTA was nearly perfect. Quite often on close-ups of performers, their faces had obvious lack of color depth - there were distinct visible lines from one color to the next making it almost look cartoonish. Honestly, it was quite hard for me to watch. I've seen less evidence of trouble in NFL broadcasts, so maybe things have improved.
  3. Jim5506

    Jim5506 Hall Of Fame

    Jun 7, 2004
    I want Dish to start fighting to drop the trash channels with which the providers pack their programming packages.

    We don't need more channels, we need fewer channels of better quality.

    Heaven knows we have more channels than we can watch and it is no longer anything to brag about that you have 250 channels of garbage.

    Quality, not quantity.
  4. tampa8

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

    Mar 30, 2002
    I too have gone back and forth, closely looking at the same program, when possible same scene, looking at fine details like hair on arms, facial details, looking for artifacts. I look standing at the 55" LG screen, and at viewing distance,for me about 10 feet. I may see the most extreme slightest of difference as far that criteria goes, meaning no clarity or pixelization differences worth mentioning.

    There is a slight, but a little more difference in the color saturation. Enough to set the OTA input with just a little less color saturation. Now that may mean there is a little less detail also, but I just can not see it.
    We too have the last episode of American Idol on an EHD, so I looked at it. On the EA anyway, it has none of the problems noted. I can't compare it to OTA since I did not record it from there.

    I can honestly say from normal viewing distance especially there is virtually no difference, or certainly not enough to be noticed. Different inputs have separate settings specifically for the things like different color saturation from different sources, so in the end, the color saturation is the same for both.
    I don't doubt however it can be different on both sides for some people, satellite with maybe fuller HD spotbeams, or OTA with more or less sub channels. Screen size and quality of the TV also play a role. But I would say it is fair to say generally the Dish signal is at the least very close to OTA . If OTA is at this time the gold broadcasting standard, Dish is just about there. It's the end result, what you see that counts more than the technical numbers.
    Contrast all that to Charter, many of my friends in Ct. where I am have, and you can most definitely see the difference. It's not subjective.
  5. bnewt

    bnewt Godfather

    Oct 2, 2003
    AMC, Smithsonian, ESPNU, Disney, ABC Family, Fox Movie
  6. PBowie

    PBowie Legend

    Jan 4, 2006
    Fox Soccer + AND BEIN in HD !
  7. siwsiw

    siwsiw Mentor

    Aug 15, 2007
  8. jajone13

    jajone13 New Member

    Oct 1, 2012
  9. blackhillsjk

    blackhillsjk Cool Member

    Mar 2, 2012
    ESPNU HD.....HHHMMMMMM, seems like a trend. Dish are you listening ? :rolleyes:
  10. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    Local OTA is not always HD.

    MLB always looks great during a game. So did the world series on the local fox channel.

    I believe it is all source stuff.

    I noticed yesterday after Sons of anarchy was over on FX,[ picture was just fine] they ran "rescue me" [ I think that's what is was] and the picture was obviously compressed. I had to flip channels to see if there was a problem, but nope, the guide bar read HD, even though it wasn't.

    Wish Dish would add all the Encore channels to HD. It's not much of a bonus of subbing to 250 if the picture is crappy.
  11. sregener

    sregener Godfather

    Apr 17, 2012
    And that's why my comparison of a recorded program from Dish with the same program recorded OTA using a DTVPal DVR was relevant - the source was the same in both cases, but the quality of the picture was positively, definitively different. But I also believe that bandwidth limitations are addressed differently by Dish in different markets, and thus it is entirely possible that Dish is not bandwidth starving your OTA locals, while they clearly are mine.
  12. clotter

    clotter AllStar

    Apr 12, 2008
    Now that the new season of Supernatural has started I have to add the OTA tuner for Hopper to the list. I know it's not exactly a programming wish, but my local CW through DISH is not HD and it was PAINFUL to watch last night.
  13. ggotch5445

    ggotch5445 AllStar

    Sep 27, 2009
    I have previously suggested elsewhere that I also would like to see NASA-TV in HD, but I have just become aware of the fact that NASA has several different TV feeds. I was looking to catch a press conference the other day, and found that it was not broadcast on the feed that we get on Dish.

    I would suggest/request that Dish carry all of the NASA feeds on Dish online, enabling subscribers to view all of the NASA feeds including the HD one.
  14. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    easy enough to figure out.

    My plasma is also hooked to an antenna as a alternate to dish for OTA.

    I really don't watch locals too much, [ local news mostly, some PBS but, that's never compressed] and the next time I do, I will flip between the two inputs to see the difference. I suspect however, it is source compression, but I could be wrong. :)
  15. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    flipped between dish and antenna on locals.

    Definately source based, at least for OTA.
  16. Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    Hopfully Disney will settle soon. I want ESPNU-HD & the Living Well Network which is a sub channel on ABC7 in San Francisco.
  17. jamelar

    jamelar Cool Member

    Dec 30, 2010
    A 24 hour world news channel that is available in most the world and a few cable systems in the US. Reports on world events that is ignored by the US media.

    Is also available in most the world and a few cable systems in the US.
  18. NightTimeHD

    NightTimeHD Cool Member

    Nov 24, 2009
    PBS in HD
  19. greatwhitenorth

    greatwhitenorth Godfather

    Jul 18, 2005
    One idea I have always thought would be great was an English Language International package. The 2 channels you mentioned plus maybe CBC, the real BBC, any other english speaking channels out there.
  20. Mark Martin

    Mark Martin Cool Member

    Nov 12, 2009
    ESPNU in HD
    My local CW channel in HD

    I was with DirecTV for almost ten years and I think the one major area that DTV has the advantage is they carry more locals in HD. Dish on the other hand can be easier on your wallet.

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