YouTube TV 5.1 Audio and 4K tier announced

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  1. NashGuy

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    I would think a half hour is plenty for the vast majority of folks. And if YTTV can implement server-based live TV pause, there's no reason why AT&T TV couldn't do the same (if they spent the money to do it). As things currently stand, it seems they want to use live TV pause as a differentiating feature to sell their own device.
     
  2. harsh

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    It is likely that with only 32GB of RAM in the entry level AT&T TV models, DIRECTV Now was almost certainly multicasting cached content. AT&T TV may still be but I'm betting that they would kill to figure out how to unicast and spooling locally is the only way that can happen.

    Further, as the title of this thread suggests, the bitrate of AT&T TV is likely much higher than that of DIRECTV Now.
     
  3. gio12

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    Well Comcast just gave me 800mpbs and unlimited date for $63.99 on a 2 year contract after autopay. Been with them for 5 years so...

    I will stick with YTTV until AT&T has new owners. I love having Red Zone, but no Miami Heat come fall. But at least with paying $35 less for internet, paying a little more for AT&T TV will be ok.
     
  4. compnurd

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    ATT still owns 70% of the new company
     
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    Great…


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  6. NashGuy

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    No, AT&T TV uses the same streaming infrastructure that was developed under DTV Now. I'd bet that the bitrates are the same.

    And DTV Now never used multicasting. It was always and only unicast, just like YTTV, Hulu, Netflix, Prime Video, etc. I don't believe AT&T TV has implemented multicast streams either, although an internal presentation that leaked out before its soft launch in Aug. 2019 suggested that it might use multicasting for customers on AT&T Fiber.

    Just checking -- you realize that all OTT streaming (i.e. video streams crossing any and all IP networks) is inherently unicast (i.e. a separate stream for each individual end user), right? Multicasting (i.e. one stream reaching multiple end users) can only be implemented if the video provider controls the network too, i.e. managed IPTV such as Uverse TV.
     
  7. gio12

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    Not impressed with YTTV 4K broadcast of the MLB All Star Game.


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    FOX has acknowledged that it did not use native 4K cameras to shoot the All-Star Game. Instead, it was all 1080p cameras upscaling and distributing to carriers. This may be part of the issue you experienced.
     
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    The 4K HDR feed of The Open looked/looks really good…4k HDR 60fps on FireTV Stick 4k.
     
  10. harsh

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    If that were the case, AT&T TV subscribers who jumped from DIRECTV wouldn't be claiming that AT&T TV generally offers superior PQ. That wasn't the case early on. A case could be made that DIRECTV PQ has deteriorated, but that seems difficult to support.

    Infrastructure for streaming has a few easily adjustable parameters and one of them is bitrate.
     
  11. NashGuy

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    No, it was. I had DirecTV Now back in early 2018 and my opinion was that its PQ was slightly better than DTV Sat back then.

    I've read the same mix of comments all along with regard to PQ of the streaming vs. DBS product from folks who had both; all along, some have said the two were equal while others said the streaming was slightly better. I don't think there's been any change in terms of the streaming product's HD bitrates/encoding.
     
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    I had DIRECTV Now in the first weeks of launching. PQ was NOT on par with DIRECTV or even YTTV today. I sucked.
     
  13. NashGuy

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    So you're talking about Dec. 2016/Jan. 2017, a year earlier than I had it. I don't doubt that the service was rough in a lot of ways then. But hey, only $35 for a full channel package, no contract and $5 HBO!
     
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    Something like that. Did a trial.
    Now its as good as DIRECTV or just about best out there.
    Price and other small issues keep me away again for now


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  15. James Long

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    First impressions .... One hopes the PQ would have improved over the past five years. :)
     
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  16. gio12

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    True, LOL.


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  17. Steveknj

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    Of course PQ with any internet based package can be affected by your connection. I've had both, and moved to AT&T TV only in the last few months. For the most part, I find the AT&T PQ to be better, if simply because a lot of it comes in at 1080p. But, to be honest. Unless the PQ is REALLY bad, it's hard to notice much of a difference unless you have a discerning eye. There are still plenty of people out there who can't even see the benefit of HD as opposed to SD, or are watching on a small computer screen. So I am not convinced that PQ matters ALL that much for most people as long as it's not complete crap (i.e. 4x3 SD). And of course not everyone has an OLED TV either where you can really see a lot of subtleties in PQ. If your have a budget TV, you probably aren't going to see much of a difference either. Price is and content are the major drivers.
     
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    I agree and my sense is that much of the PQ issues that are reported are due to variations due to the specific CDN your feed is coming from. I have found the PQ of YTTV to be excellent and mostly 1080p with some exceptions on certain channels. I am very picky when it comes to PQ and have a LG OLED65B7A in my FR and a Optoma UHZ65 4k HDR laser projector (120” screen) in my HT so PQ issues are glaringly obvious when they are there.
     
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    Very true, and how many people have your setup. Very few. In fact a lot of the younger viewers, watch on their laptops or tablets. I was watching Kim's Convenience over the weekend and two of the characters sat down to watch a streaming show, at home, not in front of their TV, but in front of their laptop. I personally don't enjoy TV like that, but a lot of people do. I think PQ probably doesn't matter all that much to them.
     
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