YouTube TV - A New Streaming Regular TV Bundle

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  1. Rich

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    This morning I used my present monthly cost of $160 and figured out what I would have spent on D* content and equipment over the last 15 years using that incorrect figure. I dropped my bill to that figure about a year or so ago. Got rid of the top tier movie package that was just about useless and took a bunch of credits to get the bill LOWERED to $160. So the figure I came up with is a lot less than what I actually paid over 15 years. A bit more than $28,000. Factor in what I actually paid and it's well over $30,000.

    What I highlighted above, what...how...are you okay? Why would you write that? Do you use NF? Have you gone over to the dark side???? :eek:

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  2. mjwagner

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    That is of course your opinion. I respect your opinion but disagree. Time will tell.
     
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    Clearly our analysis diverges...; - ) Along with the increased competition represented by the OTT providers, I believe that we will see a continued downward pressure on prices. This market is not somehow different than other markets. Increased competition, and the virtual elimination of switching costs/hassle for the consumer, will drive prices down and feature/function/quality up, just like it does everywhere else.
     
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    I'm on the Access tier. Why don't you just sign-up for the 7 day free trial and try it out on your FireTV box.
     
  5. Rich

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    I'd rather listen to someone here tell me how the system works before doing that. I'm not ready to make the switch right now, gotta get approval from the boss. Would be a lot easier to get that approval if it had the Hallmark channel (I have no interest in that channel, but my wife does). Seems like it's reasonably priced and has YES and a DVR feature. I'd like to know about the resolutions I'd be seeing. Having YES and the Yankees in something other than 720p would make me happy.

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  6. inkahauts

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    Awh, see here is where we differ most. You think this market is the same as any other. It's not. The broadcasters are who set the prices not the providers. Providers just add a little for profit. If they bleed customers to bad. That can't lower prices like other industries. Right now they add very little to streaming because they already have a massive infrastructure in place because of traditional tv anywhere platforms. At some point they will have to spend more to make that infrastructure a lot more robust and that will drive the provider costs through the roof. Or a lot of the costs from the traditional side will fall and be moved to the streaming side. I doubt that will happen but it's possible.

    You won't see broadcasters take less money for shows on a streaming platform over a traditional one, except while it's a carrot where they can create a system to hook you on that allows them more info to sell better targeted ads. But once a balance is there (and we are years away from streaming being truly as popular as traditional) the costs will be the same or more.

    I just don't understand why anyone thinks a broadcaster in the long run will take less money because it's streaming instead of from a traditional provider?
     
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    Haha! I'm pointing out there are no super cheap streaming solutions. It's a myth to say any offer anywhere close to your traditional providers. You need multiple ones to get everything you can get and internet access.

    In fact anyone without internet today if they wanted the equivalents of extra in DIRECTV it'd probably cost them more than DIRECTV if you add in what they'd have to pay for internet and they wouldn't have near the capabilities as a dtv DVR (or most cable companies DVRs)

    I use Netflix. But I don't subscribe to any premiums with DIRECTV. Don't see a reason too.

    And I'm not even considering leaving DIRECTV till I can get my Lakers some other way with total ease and reliability.
     
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    Funny, I was going to include that caveat in my post... :) From my perspective that certainly does impose a "floor" on the price points. But, and it's a big but, IMO that leaves room for competition to drive overall prices. I have posted previously that DTV makes a profit just on the package alone at their current price point. What competition is already driving out of the equation is all the other stuff that folks like DTV and Dish, and the cable cos tack on. That stuff is already being driven out of the equation by the OTT offerings. In my case I was paying DTV over $118 per month, only abou $55 of which was the actual content charge. And no, I do not believe that DTV has no profit built into that content/package charge. IMHO, the days of companies being able to charge an extra $7 or whatever per TV that you want to have content access on is quickly going away. The industry is quickly going to the "simultaneous stream" concept that Netflix pioneered.
    So yes, we agree that their are certainly some idiosyncrasies in this market. But I still think there is plenty of room for increased competition to drive down costs and keep them lower. How much lower is certainly the question. Time will certainly tell.
     
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    Nobody gets close to "everything you can get" unless they live in a multiple person household with people of all ages having a really broad range of entertainment tastes. In that case you almost should calculate the cost per person per month. Or maybe even the cost per actual viewing hours.

    Which brings me to sports. HBO gets $15 a month from folks in order to stream into their homes its original and movie offerings. It can be canceled and restarted at any time without any extra charges. Sports leagues and teams need to figure out a viable offering comparable to that IMHO. There have to be sports fans out there who resent paying for Disney Kids and OWN as much as I do.

    I'm posting here because I have had internet service or one of its predecessors since the early 1980's. It's not a TV-related cost any more than my electric service is. As a result of streaming, I don't need to pay for a separate TV utility. Instead we have these TV streaming TV costs for two people who generally both watch 120± hour of TV a month:

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    Since we are watching shows on HBO and Showtime right now, we're paying 25¢ per person per hour of entertainment totaling about $60 a month.

    Yes, I think the point is that I'm the one assembling a package, not a cable/satellite company fearful of losing subscribers if it doesn't fully subsidize the NFL by taxing me for premium content on ESPN.

    Sure, Hulu is a subpackage offering ABC, Fox, and NBC shows. But truthfully, in the last decade every season we watched about the same total number of shows from those three networks as we did CBS alone. The point is I decide who gets money from me - if I want to watch a CBS show on CBS All Access or an Aussie show on Acorn TV, I don't have to pay for a Viacom-owned channel or ESPN.

    On the other hand, we are still dependent upon the "Hollywood" movie/tv series production industry which even with the challenge of the Netflix streaming service is still dominated by a few huge international corporations. But Netflix and options like Acorn TV and YouTube have altered the playing field for independent and foreign content producers. And in the meantime, the corporate movie industry is turning to Asian audiences. It's all in flux.

    Many things affect costs. In late 2007-early 2008 we had the 387 post Writers Strike Discussion Thread and in mid-2008 we had the 233 post Actors Strike thread. Those events were disruptive to the industry and I was concerned that scripted TV might fade away. But we still ended up with a 2015 thread Golly, there's just too much TV.... so I'm not very good a prognosticator.

    Spring 2017 brings us headlines such as Hollywood Hopes To Avoid Writer’s Strike As Contract Talks Are Extended and there is the ongoing actors strike SAG-AFTRA Claims It “Has The Momentum” In Video Game Strike Launched In October. The content producers have a busy life dealing with and paying for employees.

    Me, I quit worrying about the industry and am assembling my own content package. It's better and cheaper than it was in 2007-2008.
     
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    I'm not that concerned about pricing. What I want is better service, I'm willing to pay for that. I already have Amazon, Hulu, NF and HBO Now. I use them for most of my viewing. All I use or want D* for at this moment is sports. I can get PS Vue and get the sports I want. I can do the math, I know it's gonna be near the cost of what I now pay D*. I want a low maintenance viewing system that I can service. I want PQ that's superior to what I get from D*, I can get that, for the most part I have that already.

    You said this in a previous post:
    And Netflix does not count, (and they don't have that big a library streaming for current shows if you take out Disney stuff) they are a premium station like hbo and act that way. They aren't a streaming service like Hulu etc...
    Netflix doesn't count? Just because there's a considerable wait for current shows? That makes NF not count in this discussion? I'm willing to wait for a superior experience. I find HBO Now kinda limited, limited to only HBO content of course. I'll grant you that, but I don't see how HBO and NF compare on any level other than they both are streamers. I pay more for the very limited HBO Now than I do for NF. And NF has more than enough content to keep me satisfied. I realize that all this is subjective, I get that. What I want really shouldn't influence others all that much. But when you make such statements it might influence folks looking for alternative choices. I think NF is a very viable choice as is AP. These streaming sources are the new LUXURY, I think. I'm willing to pay for it, I paid willingly to D* all these years and I'm gonna let evolution take its course.

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    Well written Mark, I agree.

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    I had also hoped to see the FTV3 this year, I've had no luck with the FTV2s. Kinda hope to see more apps on the ATV4s or the new ATV5s later this year. When I do the snip I'm gonna need more boxes, I presently have 10 TVs in my home. I'd need a box for each one and I'd really like them all to be ATV5s. Gotta wonder why my ATV4s don't have PS Vue. I hope it's not because of something like the Apple-Amazon feud.

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    That is one of the lamest excuses I have read on here, lol. If you don't have internet you won't be able to use any streaming service at all.


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  14. inkahauts

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    My point is correct. DIRECTV doesn't actively make you watch commercials if you set something to record. You tube will. That's without even discussing on demand.
     
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    That point is correct however your excuse for why the DVR was not capable is totally off and laughable at best.


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  16. inkahauts

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    I never said it wasnt capable, I said that they arent going to do it. Streaming though, that will be where they do it a lot.
     
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    Spin? Cause definitely the intention was there


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  18. sabrewulf

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    Other than PSVue Discovery Networks is a pain to get. I use Sling, Hulu, and CBS All Access and pretty happy with it. Hope to get Discovery/Animal Planet sometime.
     
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    I don't think this will go well for Google, to be honest. PS Vue, D* Now, and Sling all offer more channels for about the same price or less. Also, it's nearly pointless to include YouTube Red content without the benefit that just about everybody who pays for YouTube Red got it for: getting rid of the ads without feeling guilty for using an adblocker.
     
  20. Ed Campbell

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    A few months experience, now, sat-cutting and specifically when cloud dvr well designed and implemented, no problem with FF Cloud dvrs. Watching Vue and a bit of Sling, shared between households w/3-5 screens simultaneously. Apple TV and Harmony 650 remotes, and I ff and rw easily most times. YMMV depending on channel cooperation with each provider.

    When D* gets their cloud dvr operational, I'll be glad to try 'em. Never pay attention to Sling time strictures because mostly use it to share Bloomberg TV. And D*Now chat CSR says they also include the sidebar and crawl like the sat feed does. The Vue cloud dvr keeps unlimited choices up to 28 days and that works for me.

    Who knows - maybe we'll be a DirecTV household, again?
     

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