YouTube TV Inks Deal for 19 Fox Regional Sports Nets With Sinclair, Drops YES and Two Others

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  1. lparsons21

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    Yes, Prime Ticket and Sports West.
    BTW, if you get any kind of news feed, the stories are all over the place.
     
  2. techguy88

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    ROFL pretty much that's the truth also no inclusion of Marquee in all of this from what I saw. Will update table again. TBH at this point AT&T doesn't need to market AT&T TV Now just let all the other services lose the RSNs will market it enough lol.
     
  3. TheRatPatrol

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    It’s interesting Sinclair didn’t say all or none.
     
  4. espaeth

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    Instead of saying "we were unable to agree on terms of a new contract" or something to that effect, YES network decided to go the "emo teen girl" route on their press release.

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  5. lparsons21

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    Since only about 10% of viewers watch the RSNs it isn’t as big a deal as one would like to make it. Of course that is a very vociferous 10%! :)
     
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  6. wmb

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    So, what does this mean to someone like me, outside the Yankees regional rights area? I would have to get an MLB out-of-market package to watch the Yankees anyhow.

    As near as I can tell, nothing.


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  7. evotz

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    Didn't somebody say or did I read that YES was going to be carried on Amazon Prime?

    I would think, if you live in the Yankees market and subscribe to Amazon Prime, you could get the Yankees games with that.

    But that's just a guess on my part.
     
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  9. B. Shoe

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    I just got an email from YTTV. It appears they got resolution with some markets, and not others? My email states that I'll still be receiving my FOX Sports RSN (Midwest). I'm frustrated for those that are not receiving their RSN's. Hopefully they can find an agreement before Opening Day.

    Can a mod update the title of this thread? I was going to create a new thread, but I think we could easily continue here with a title update. :)
     
  10. espaeth

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    They’re keeping 19 of the 21 FOX Sports networks. So they’re dropping Prime Ticket and FOX Sports West along with YES. So big markets with high costs got cut this time.

    Sinclair Broadcast Group, YouTube TV Renew Licenses On 19 Regional Sports Networks, Ensuring Continued Access For Millions Of Fans -

    One caveat: They’re not keeping access for all territories where these RSNs operate. So for FOX Sports Southeast, you’ll still get it in Atlanta, but you probably won’t get it in South Carolina anymore.

    Looks like YTTV made a calculated move based on subscriber numbers and viewership data they already have.
     
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  11. B. Shoe

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    The biggest note to all of this is that the deal did NOT include the Marquee Network. I do family sharing for our YTTV account with my daughter's mom, who is a Cubs fan. We'll likely end up swapping to Hulu TV, which includes Marquee and our market's local channels. Maybe they'll get an agreement before Opening Day, but it doesn't seem likely with this announcement.
     
  12. grover517

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    I agree that even though most of the RSN's were renewed, the RSN's offerings for each region were pared back to what appears to be the removal of any secondary RSN coverage and you are now limited to just your primary RSN and that's it. At our seasonal home in SW Florida, we had FS Florida and FS Sun. As of yesterday, FS Florida is gone and only FS Sun remains.

    Additionally, I saw an article that states the current renewal is only until the end of the 2020 MLB season. Since I haven't seen that anywhere else, it makes me wonder if it is actually true.

    YouTube TV Inks Deal for 19 Fox Regional Sports Nets With Sinclair, Drops YES and Two Others

    I have to wonder if something else is going on here if the extension is only for the summer. Could they be working on a newer structure where certain, primary RSN's are packaged as they have been while the major market RSN's such as YES, Marquee and the West Coast RSNs along with secondary market RSN's that are now removed, be part of a premium RSN add on package?

    I am sure Sinclair would have to do some dancing around current contracts with other providers but why bother with this limited extension if something else bigger wasn't in the works during the summer?
     
  13. evotz

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    Did Youtube update their website to give an accurate channel list after this deal?

    My zip is now showing no Fox sports RSNs. Previously it was showing Fox Sports Ohio and Fox Sports South. I was hoping this deal might add Fox Sports Midwest and dropping Fox Sports South, which would then allow me to get all of the MLB games with an mlb.tv subscription.

    Or perhaps the channel listing hasn't been updated to reflect this deal and instead shows all of the Sinclair based RSNs (although Big 10 and the Tennis channel are listed).

    I wonder if Youtube TV is planning a Sports Pack like addon that can be added to the service, much like DirecTV's?
     
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    The website is accurate. FS Midwest/Midwest+ and FS North is gone for me and FS Kansas City is gone in Omaha.
     
  15. espaeth

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    I suspect Sinclair dictated where networks had to stay based on ads rates to target those DMAs, and Youtube got to pick which networks it retained based on minimum subscriber counts.

    So if Minneapolis/St Paul had a subscriber minimum of 40k, and YTTV had 60k subscribers it stayed. If Des Moines, Iowa had the same 40k minimum with 20k subscribers (and it had the lower advertising dollar threshold described below, making it optional on Sinclair's side), it was dropped.

    For the Florida situation, if advertisers are paying $x for ad slots in Orlando/Ft Lauderdale/Miami, but only paying 20% of $x to advertise in Pensicola, Sinclair could allow YTTV to opt out of carrying that DMA because their ad revenue loss would be lower anyway.
     
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    What's crazy is the Drake/Northern Iowa game on FS Midwest, a game of two Iowa teams isn't available on FS Midwest on YTTV.
     
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  17. evotz

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    So you think Sinclair got to dictate what zip codes got what RSNs?

    And if you live in a zip code that a certain team claims as their "territory" then you're just SOL?

    This is what I ultimately believe is wrong with the RSN model. You can't have up to 3 different entities (Sinclair, Youtube/DirecTV, MLB/MLB Teams/Any sport team) dictating what areas are home "territories" for a zip code if this is being allowed. The league's overall package should be able to cover these people that are missing out if that's the case.
     
  18. lparsons21

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    Sinclair is in financial difficulties, so I’m not surprised that they would jigger things a bit to keep as many subs as possible.
     
  19. evotz

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    Yea. I just wish there was a way to (legally) get around all of these blockades.

    Specifically MLB really needs to take a look at this. I'm not exactly sure of what they can do immediately, because there are so many contracts in play. DirecTV and Youtube certainly wouldn't be happy if Sinclair were able to offer something direct to customers.

    But something like, maybe you log into a Sinclair portal with a valid TV provider information - say a Youtube TV account - Sinclair gets zip code information from your IP - sees that your in a zip code for this, this, and this team (according to the team's "in-market" territory) - sees that Sinclair and Youtube did not reach a deal to offer the RSNs for those teams in that zip - you get an option to pay Sinclair directly to stream those games.

    A bit complex, but would seem to keep everyone happy.

    You would have to have a TV login for a provider that has an agreement with Sinclair - this would eliminate people bypassing the TV provider completely.

    Youtube's happy because you're basically forced to keep a Youtube TV account.

    Sinclair's happy because they get more money.

    MLB (or whatever sport) is happy because viewership increases.
     
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  20. B. Shoe

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    Are you able to view the Bradley-SIU game from the Valley tournament?
     

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