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  1. Oct 30, 2019 #81 of 167
    slice1900

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    So they can insert a minute or so of ads per hour, how's that different than what cable/satellite does? And don't they let people skip ads? Doesn't that defeat the purpose??

    Google isn't exactly hurting for places to shove ads in your face, if you want to argue they are looking for more slots why should they be an MVPD when they could be like other pure OTT streamers and develop original content? Then they have ALL the ad slots instead of just a minute an hour.

    Since Google has so much more personal information about people I'm sure one of the selling points for Android TV as far as cable/satellite operators go is that they can do the ad insertion for you using their personalized data, and get higher ad rates than what cable/satellite companies could (because they have only a fraction of the huge volumes of personal information that Google snarfs up from Gmail users, Android users, Chrome users, etc. that they can easily correlate to the person watching TV from the name/address info provided by the cable/satellite company. It seems short sighted of them to want to compete with the same companies they are trying to sell Android TV to - they will probably get more revenue from AT&T using Android TV for AT&T TV than they ever will from the ads they run on Youtube TV.
     
  2. Oct 30, 2019 #82 of 167
    espaeth

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    The DVR is the "door buster" to this service, they're giving that away to get the viewing that is inherently live: news, sports, shows on the networks that have voting / watch party following. On channels like regional sports networks, they're getting more than a minute or two of ads per hour.

    They have been developing content for a while, see YouTube Originals

    The reason to bring in other people's content is you need a draw to create the bridge to other content you'd like to show. Netflix had shows like Friends and the Office because you need something familiar to get people in the door, then you can start pitching them your new content. News and sports give people a reason to keep signing into your service with regularity, and it presents the best opportunity gain viewership in other categories. Searching in YoutubeTV will not only bring up channel-specific clips or shows, but also has a section to show related content in standard Youtube.

    Android is almost exclusively open source; you pay to license Google-specific apps and functions like the Play store, Google Pay, and push notification services. Companies like Amazon have forked Android and created their own app store, resulting in Google getting no money out of the deal. Advertising is where nearly all their revenue is generated. In Q3 alone, advertising was $33.9bn out of the $40.5bn in total revenue.

    Android TV isn't really a huge deal for Google. YoutubeTV didn't even have an Android TV app until almost a year after it launched.
     
  3. Oct 30, 2019 #83 of 167
    slice1900

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    The ONLY reason why an MVPD would choose Android TV is to get access to Google Play apps the million streaming things people want. If they rip out the Google parts and just use the open source, they don't get any of that. Which makes using Android TV utterly pointless.

    Given the huge number of products/projects Google has killed over the years (see Google's graveyard at Killed by Google) my money is still on Youtube TV going away sometime in the next couple years.
     
  4. Oct 30, 2019 #84 of 167
    espaeth

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    The main reason to use Android TV is you have a pool of already existing Android app developers and functional APIs to call on rather than having to bootstrap a box from scratch. Since it's open source, you can write your own launcher UI to the base OS to do things like launch live TV as soon as the box is turned on like ATT is doing. This works in pretty much the same way that Samsung replaces the stock Android UI with TouchWiz on their phones. Since you have control over the OS, you can also do things like create custom drivers for things like the remote control that ATT is shipping with the Osprey boxes.

    Any company building on an Android OS box can just install the package APKs as part of their base image from the start. End users do this all the time, just search for "Firestick side loading."

    I've posted that link before as well, and had someone point out to me a very important part of that list. Look it over, and then look at how many of those projects just had features that were absorbed by other Google products.

    Examples:
    Works with Nest API is being absorbed into the standard Google API framework.
    Snooze and Reminders in Inbox were incorporated as base features of Gmail
    Google Talk, Allo, and Hangouts will all become Messages
    Google Nexus phones became Google Pixel
    Google Googles functionality was migrated to the Google Lens app
    Songza was shutdown after 100% of the features were rolled into Google Play Music

    Youtube makes a crazy amount of money for Google, and it gives them the existing storage, server, and network capacity to make layering on paid streaming content be very cost effective. They also have a functional ad marketplace that works right now, at full rollout scale, with advertisers actively using it.

    If we're going to talk shutdown risk, it's going to be for companies like FuboTV that are 3rd party sourcing 98% of their content (They have some stuff like Fubo Cycling), still working on their ad marketplace, and outsourcing 100% of their content delivery infrastructure.
     
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  5. Oct 30, 2019 #85 of 167
    mjwagner

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    Based on the admittedly purely anecdotal evidence that I have seen, the biggest beneficiary of the demise of PSVue is going to be YTTV.
     
  6. Oct 31, 2019 #86 of 167
    bobcnn

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    It wouldn't be the big screen TV experience, but you could watch one game on TV, the other on a laptop or tablet. If one game is better than the other, you can just swap the best game to your TV
     
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  7. Nov 2, 2019 #87 of 167
    RACJ2

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    Didn't know PSVue was discontinuing service. I tried them this year, mainly to get NFLN during the NFL Preseason and watch the games.

    I have DirecTV from mid Aug to Feb and then suspend from Mid Feb thru mid Aug. I had YouTube TV during from Feb thru July and then PSVue in August. PSVue had a lot of channels, but was much cruder than YouTube TV. Although just before I cancelled, an upgrade made it better.
     
  8. Nov 4, 2019 #88 of 167
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    MNF sure looks good tonite.


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  9. Nov 5, 2019 #89 of 167
    Rich

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    Not sure how you viewed it but on D* it did look better than normal.

    Rich
     
  10. Nov 12, 2019 #90 of 167
    NashGuy

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    The future of streaming cable TV services belongs to YTTV (if they scale it up to profitability and stick with it), Hulu, and AT&T/HBO Max. I'm betting that Comcast/Peacock will get in on it too. It's questionable whether anyone else beyond those four has both the ability and desire to play in that arena. At the moment, YTTV seems to be emerging as the crowd favorite. Will be interesting to see if they strike more distribution deals with broadband operators beyond the one they put in place with Verizon.
     
  11. Nov 12, 2019 #91 of 167
    Andrew Sullivan

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    Don't overlook Disney + If they bundle HULU Live for a great price, like say $35. Disney owns a lot of companies and they are pulling most of their product off the other streaming services.
     
  12. Nov 12, 2019 #92 of 167
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  13. Nov 12, 2019 #93 of 167
    Gordon Shumway

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    I just started using YTTV in the last week, and I'll admit I was a little worried about how easy it would be to FF through commercials on DVR 'd shows, or the ability to FF at all. So far the answer has been pretty favorable. On the few shows I've watched FF speed hasn't been an issue because every commercial has already been clipped out. Even on the OTA broadcast networks. Just watched the latest episode of NCIS Los Angeles from Sunday night, and every commercial was removed. There was just a very short pause between scenes where the commercials used to be.

    I'm sure there will be some roadblocks on some shows, but certainly no complaints yet.
     
  14. Nov 13, 2019 #94 of 167
    compnurd

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    Thats because you are watching the on demand version
     
  15. Nov 13, 2019 #95 of 167
    Gordon Shumway

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    I understand that the DVR function will point to on-demand versions if they are available, but that's a pretty great feature for the most part.
     
  16. Nov 13, 2019 #96 of 167
    compnurd

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    Of Course it is. If is one less thing Google has to provide storage for
     
  17. Nov 13, 2019 #97 of 167
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    Well the YTTV OnDemand version I have seen always has commercials that you can't fast forward through. The DVR versions I have seen has commercials that you can fast forward through. I've never seen either version with the commercials stripped out of it. I do see that with CBS All Access commercial free version but not YTTV.
     
  18. Nov 14, 2019 #98 of 167
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    can I get my local fox sports channel on you tube tv? and will it have my local team since I am on a boarder between two teams..
     
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  19. Nov 14, 2019 #99 of 167
    B. Shoe

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    You can click here, scroll down a little, and enter your zip code to see what local/RSN's are available in your market: YouTube TV - Watch & DVR Live Sports, Shows & News
     
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    You can't record a single show only series, no Dolby Digital 5.1 and no A&E and History channels. Sometimes I watch Science Channel and they don't have that either. Does YouTube upconvert its channels to 1080p like AT&T TV does?
     

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