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ZDNet: Blu-ray is dead - heckuva job, Sony!

Discussion in 'Blu-Ray Hardware' started by Mark Holtz, Oct 30, 2008.

  1. Nov 16, 2008 #81 of 142
    smiddy

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    I don't see BluRay dying off anytime soon...I want hard copies of my movies...so this Christmas we're getting a BluRay player and 20+ movies...and I can't wait! I know several folks doing similar things this season. It will be the year BluRay takes off...
     
  2. Nov 16, 2008 #82 of 142
    Mark Holtz

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    As a signal of my surrender, I did pick up the BluRay version of Sleeping Beauty today. It did come with a DVD version of the movie.

    But, what movies in my collection are worth a rebuy on the Blu format? Not too many.
     
  3. Nov 17, 2008 #83 of 142
    Cmnore

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    Seen the Woot.com deal-of-the-day today?
     
  4. Nov 17, 2008 #84 of 142
    Getteau

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    Yep. Wasted most of the morning trying to find good/bad reviews of the player (never found either). In the end, I just bit the bullet and bought one. Here's hoping I didn't just waste $155 ($139 + $5 shipping + 11 for tax).

    They still have them in stock, so I'd expect to see them on the next woot-off as well.
     
  5. Nov 17, 2008 #85 of 142
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    At that price, for a Profile 1.1 unit, if it has no flaws.....you should be very happy to enjoy it at such a bargain.
     
  6. Nov 17, 2008 #86 of 142
    Charise

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    I'm one of those people who isn't interested in BD. Where DVDs quickly got to the point that you could play them in every computer, in portable players, and in a home theatre situation, BD isn't there. For me, whatever the price point, it's not worth upgrading all of my other players.

    I primarily watch only HD TV, but I believe that many consumers buy their expensive HD TVs and believe they are automatically watching HD. Their regular DVDs look better to them than TV, so that's all they expect and want.

    Other than the improved picture quality which I would enjoy particularly on some shows, the added expense of BD offers me much less in portability. I don't think BD is dead, but I think I'm fairly typical of regular (obviously not early adopter) consumers.
     
  7. Nov 18, 2008 #87 of 142
    hdtvfan0001

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    I know one thing after getting and viewing my WALL*E Blue Ray disk today....

    Blu Ray is very much alive and kicking (butt).

    What a spectacular video and audio "experience". :jumpingja :balloons:
     
  8. Nov 19, 2008 #88 of 142
    elaclair

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    I think it's significant to note that, even with the down economy, a protracted format war, fairly slow adoption by the movie studios, standard DVD's that look great up-converted, that Blu-Ray is AHEAD of the original DVD adoption curve. With the now sub $150 players, and occasional good deals on movie prices, BD ain't goin' nowhere for a LONG time.
     
  9. Nov 19, 2008 #89 of 142
    Pink Fairy

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    We have had a PS3 for over a year. How many Blu Rays? MAYBE 15.

    Like he said above - we buy the movies that Blu Ray will make a difference on. Apocalyptico, Iron Man (most recent), Pirates of the Caribean: Black Pearl, 30 days of Night....

    I will buy Disney Movies on blu ray as they are released. But that is how I want to build up my non existant collection.
     
  10. Nov 19, 2008 #90 of 142
    GrumpyBear

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    Well,
    Blu-Ray needs to have a major push to meet last yrs sales numbers. Granted its still a drop in sales when you consider last yr there was competition with HD-DVD, now they have it all alone.
    Blu-Ray isn't going to die, but is just not gaining market share, at the rate need to keep it from being more a Videophile player.
     
  11. Nov 19, 2008 #91 of 142
    hdtvfan0001

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    I don't know what numbers you're looking at, but the latest downsized estimates on several Blu Ray News sites from Sony are for $750-$800 Million in Blu Ray disk sales, compared to $480 Million last year....so that would appear to me to be more. :D

    They had anticipated $1 Billion...but then our illustrious economic situation arose.
     
  12. Nov 19, 2008 #92 of 142
    GrumpyBear

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    Estimates are just that, and thats Movie sales, not player sales. More movies being sold to people that already own the Players, wont spread the movies to more people.
     
  13. Nov 19, 2008 #93 of 142
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    A good take on the Znet Blu-ray article from the Digital Bits

    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa161.html#busy
    MOD EDIT: I'm sorry, because of copyright and fair use laws, this article was redacted. It is available at the link above.
     
  14. Nov 19, 2008 #94 of 142
    GrumpyBear

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    Whats funny is on ZDNET, you can read this. Like he says they both agree on the same problems are there, thier Conclusions are just different.

    Really cool features like this one will turn off people too.
    http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2904&tag=rbxccnbzd1
    Since it seems all the studio's do this you can't just blame Sony, but it sure smells like them. Granted Sony has put spyware on peoples machine before.
     
  15. Nov 19, 2008 #95 of 142
    Pink Fairy

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    Excellent response.
     
  16. Nov 20, 2008 #96 of 142
    Stewart Vernon

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    This jumped out at me... DVD just under three years, and Blu ray just a little more than two years. He says this as if that is a great difference. 2>x>3 could mean x is about the same.

    Not debating the rest of the pros/cons... but just interesting how the wordplay was used there to make a potentially minor difference in timeframe sound bigger.
     
  17. Nov 20, 2008 #97 of 142
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    Might be. I'll read it after I retire.:)
     
  18. Nov 20, 2008 #98 of 142
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    Yes...in fact....the response is a more solid and fact-based piece than the article in question. :)

    The sales of BD disks and BD players continue to move upward, and at a pace that actually exceeds the pace SD DVDs did years ago during the same period in their evolution. In addition, with both disks and players hitting much more competitive price points just in time for holiday shopping.....look for even bigger numbers....and all this is a "down economy".

    At the same time during the next 90 days that those players get more commonplace...disk prices are falling, and numerous new titles are being released. I wonder how many people even realize there are now over 1000 titles on Blue Ray?

    In any case....when you see the huge sales volumes for the new BD titles like Iron Man, Dark Knight, and WALL*E....anyone claiming the formats death is simply out of touch with reality.
     
  19. Nov 20, 2008 #99 of 142
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    I almost want to step back a year. All the Hard talk from the HD-DVD people, look lower priced hardware(some called it dumping), our movies are taking off, all this talk today sounds real familiar.
    I was in a meeting last night, some strange talk, about how many Blu ray players will be returned by users, who find out that they don't have a TV that supports HDMI. Other issues for the mass's this holiday seasons and returns, was the fact they avg joe needs a network drop, or have to order new firmware shipped to them, if the avg joe doesn't know how to burn his own firmware cd.

    Some are saying Blu-Ray may want to wait even another season before going for the big push, as to many little quirks keep coming up, with new movie release, that require action on the user's part to make the machine work. Get the software working before pushing the machines onto the Avg Joe, backlash for lack of function, would be the last nail.
    Granted the reports of how the Profile2.0 allows the movie companies to track what you are watching, will come to a stop, as users wont put up with that crap at all, and the more people complain the better.
     
  20. hdtvfan0001

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    I had HD DVD from the beginning too (and still do), and also felt that format was better. But I got over it in 1 day and moved on to adopt Blu Ray as the winner of that format war.
    Strange....there are Component-connecting Blu Ray players too that support up to 1080i, so I'm not so sure about returns in mass.
    Firmware updates have been out there for years, including PC's and HDTV's too....so the average Joe needs to join this century some day. The digital TV transformation in February will also force some folks to learn a few things.
    The Blue Ray industry is paying $25 Million in advertising just in 60 days for this holiday season to promote the format and BD movie disks....and that doesn't count what Disney is now doing as well to promote their titles on Blu Ray. BD disk sales alone are expected to hit $750-$800 Million in 2008 alone.

    I've seen over 10 of these ads promoting BD myself already the past 2 weeks.

    This IS the big push.

    As for quirks....my Panny BD30 works like a charm, has updated firmware that took 15 minutes to run, and displays incredible audio and video for all the Blue Ray disks I've watched. No quirks here.

    Profile 2.0, which is mostly for adding in some little extras on some BD disks, as well as the Internet connectivity to support it (as well as downloadable updates), and its more like an "option" than a necessity.

    I've done over 15 firmware updates on HD DVD and Blu Ray players to date - not a single problem via home-burned CD's.

    So to summarize...it would appear that the biggest challenge the Blue Ray folks have is better public education to overcome the mis-information and lack of information out there. I know the retailers are ramping up on those two fronts, so perhaps that one may be overcome over time.
     

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