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I'm renewed for NFL Sunday Ticket.tv and NFL Game Pass for the 2021 season. The new login slate is also updated in the Sunday Ticket app. Replays of the Hall of Fame Game worked smoothly in the Game Pass platform, but I'll report any streaming issues I may see during the preseason here.
 

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No issues on the opening night for NFL Game Pass. Both games streamed with no issue. It would be great to view multiple games at once (as you can on the Sunday Ticket app, and the former Preseason Live product also allowed up to four games at once), but if you're wanting to watch a preseason game live, you should be good to go.

What did surprise me tonight, from a YouTube TV perspective, was that BOTH preseason games were available live. I went into the YTTV live guide settings, and activated three additional NFL Network feeds. Both the WFT-Patriots game and Steelers-Eagles game were available, live, via the NFLN channel and NFLN alternate feed. (DIRECTV also had the Steelers-Eagles game activated on 212-1, but was subject to blackout.) One of the alternate feeds on YTTV already has guide information for one of the Friday preseason games.
 

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Updating after the Week 1 preseason games on Saturday and Sunday. Friday's alternate feed (Tennessee-Atlanta) was blacked out. I reside in the Quincy-Hannibal-Keokuk DMA, which is a few hours away from Tennessee, so I'm unsure if this played a part in the blackout, as Thursday's alternate game was not blacked out.

No real issues with Saturday games. Alternate feeds were available as far as I could catch them on YTTV. The NFL Game Pass app repeatedly pushed the NFL Sunday Ticket.tv streaming product during ad breaks. Short Cuts broadcasts (compressing the game into 30-35 minutes) is a really nice way to catch back up on games you missed, or just want to watch quickly.

The biggest complaint (not mine, but from others) regarding NFL Game Pass for the 2021 season has been the removal (at least for now) of All-22 camera angles. For bloggers/writers, this was a critical way to evaluate and review plays. There's been a lot of social media outcry for this to return, but there isn't a timetable for All-22 film to return as of right now.

Week 2 of preseason begins Thursday!
 

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Week 2 is underway. Just one preseason game from last night's slate, but no streaming issues.

As a reminder for those with either the DIRECTV Sunday Ticket package, or the NFL Sunday Ticket.tv package, at least part (if not all) of the last preseason week normally streams via the Sunday Ticket app.
 

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Week 2 is underway. Just one preseason game from last night's slate, but no streaming issues.

As a reminder for those with either the DIRECTV Sunday Ticket package, or the NFL Sunday Ticket.tv package, at least part (if not all) of the last preseason week normally streams via the Sunday Ticket app.
Thanks, I've had NFLST for years, but I forgot about the the streaming app having games from the last week of preseason. It's good that there are more live preseason games on NFL network this year, but sometimes the games overlap. This week's Rams game on Saturday night starts at 10 p.m., but there is a 7:30 p.m. game ahead of it on NFL network, and the delayed telecast doesn't air until Thursday.
 

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Thanks, I've had NFLST for years, but I forgot about the the streaming app having games from the last week of preseason. It's good that there are more live preseason games on NFL network this year, but sometimes the games overlap. This week's Rams game on Saturday night starts at 10 p.m., but there is a 7:30 p.m. game ahead of it on NFL network, and the delayed telecast doesn't air until Thursday.
I would suspect this will happen on the Saturday evening of Week 3 preseason. In the traditional 4-game preseason, all Week 4 games would be hosted on Thursday. But in the new 3-game format, games are still spaced apart from Thursday-Sunday, albeit all Sunday games are live on some sort of national broadcast.
 

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What is interesting is that the NFL.COM app still shows the pre-season games for streaming and still shows me as signed in with my DirecTV account, which I no longer have. I guess it doesn't check. Wonder how long that will be like that?
 

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What is interesting is that the NFL.COM app still shows the pre-season games for streaming and still shows me as signed in with my DirecTV account, which I no longer have. I guess it doesn't check. Wonder how long that will be like that?
I believe they are offering Game Pass for free this weekend with no login required.
 

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Getting ready to wrap up Week 2 of the three-week preseason today. YouTube TV has pretty much got the alternate feeds locked down to specific markets (this wasn't the case in Week 1.)

The only real criticism I have of the NFL Game Pass product is this -- during the preseason, the big push is to be able to watch any live, out-of-market preseason game. And you can do that, AS LONG as it's not the showcase game being broadcast at the moment on NFL Network. In both weeks 1 and 2, the NFL Network has either 1) left the last few minutes of a game to get to the start of their next scheduled game, or 2) bounced around other games during the start of a next broadcast game and not stayed with the opening series, where most starters are likely to play. The downfall to this is that the streams for the Game Pass stream are mirroring the NFL Network broadcast, and not staying with the respective game in its entirety.

Mind you, I get we're discussing preseason football, when we're in the fourth quarters of preseason games, where starters and star players are obviously not playing, etc. But for a lot of people that are purchasing the Game Pass product, being able to enjoy preseason games in full, live, is a big part of the draw.
 

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Another drawback of these preseason telecasts is that they are loaded with in-game interviews. The announcers stop calling the play-by-play and they go to a split-screen view where it's hard to follow what's happening in the game. Its like watching a baseball game on ESPN or Fox - i.e., it's almost unwatchable.
 

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Another drawback of these preseason telecasts is that they are loaded with in-game interviews. The announcers stop calling the play-by-play and they go to a split-screen view where it's hard to follow what's happening in the game. Its like watching a baseball game on ESPN or Fox - i.e., it's almost unwatchable.
I get that. It doesn't bother me all that much. It's preseason; some people aren't that concerned about the fourth stringers who likely won't be on the roster in the next 48 hours, so toss in an interview with a coach or star player and catch up on some things. Preseason football is such a niche watch, I don't fault local markets trying to enhance their broadcast.
 

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Another drawback of these preseason telecasts is that they are loaded with in-game interviews. The announcers stop calling the play-by-play and they go to a split-screen view where it's hard to follow what's happening in the game. Its like watching a baseball game on ESPN or Fox - i.e., it's almost unwatchable.
Unless you have a bet on the game who cares? (do people actually bet on pre-season games? THAT'S gambling addiction!!). I don't watch too much pre-season, it's boring to me, and at least for Giants games, they are local broadcasts focused on the Giants so I want to learn a little about the new players or how some injured players are coming along. So those interviews are fine. I agree, I do find in game interviews for games that matter annoying. I've seen ESPN do this for their NFL games too. I remember a Giants-Cowboys game a few years back where they spend the whole 2nd or 3rd QTR interviewing Emmett Smith who just HAPPENED to be doing DWITS that season, so they talked a little about football and the rest on how Emmett will do on the show. Meanwhile one team was marching toward a TV and it felt like an afterthought to the announcers. That is when my true hatred of ESPN began.
 

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Unless you have a bet on the game who cares? (do people actually bet on pre-season games? THAT'S gambling addiction!!).
In my opinion gambling has ruined sports. Having "skin in the game" can be fun. Cheap or silly friendly bets among friends might raise the interest in the outcome. But supporting the multi-billion dollar gambling industry where the house ALWAYS wins? Nope. Not for me and I hope the addicted can escape.

The saying about selling drugs applies - don't use the product. That is what the gambling industry is doing. Selling something where they are literally guaranteed to win.
 

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In my opinion gambling has ruined sports. Having "skin in the game" can be fun. Cheap or silly friendly bets among friends might raise the interest in the outcome. But supporting the multi-billion dollar gambling industry where the house ALWAYS wins? Nope. Not for me and I hope the addicted can escape.

The saying about selling drugs applies - don't use the product. That is what the gambling industry is doing. Selling something where they are literally guaranteed to win.
I totally agree and can speak about this for hours. I have never bet on a sporting event outside of a work organized football pool, a friend bet with friend or a fantasy league with friends, with not much as far as winnings, more for bragging writes. And how long before some player gets caught up in it. I guess with players making so much money, it's less likely in the past, but what happens if a player goes in debt, and needs a way to make quick money? We've seen gambling scandals in Europe and in the past here when it was illegal. Anyway, it's another addiction that we are feeding, I agree, but to me, what makes it worse is all of these ads coercing us to gamble. I was watching a non sports related show last night and during each ad break, there were TWO different sports gambling ads. And it's worse during sporting events where you not only get those ads, but you get graphics during the game, touting lines scrolling at the bottom of the screen and and commentators talking about it. ESPN News is so bad now that actually show takes up about 1/3 of the screen and the rest is betting information. And of course we have a casino that owns/runs a bunch of RSNs.
 

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And of course we have a casino that owns/runs a bunch of RSNs.
Still separately owned by Sinclair, but the "synergy" that will come from gambling tie ins is one more reason not to watch RSNs. Certainly a good reason not to pay for them. Maybe we could get Bally's to pay for distributing the channels?
 

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Still separately owned by Sinclair, but the "synergy" that will come from gambling tie ins is one more reason not to watch RSNs. Certainly a good reason not to pay for them. Maybe we could get Bally's to pay for distributing the channels?
FuboTV is planning to add sports betting to their app later this year. It's one of the ways they think that their service -- which continues to lose money -- will finally become profitable. Of course, they don't have the RSNs in their line-up (or TBS or TNT, which air a fair number of NBA and MLB games), so that's a lot of games they can't take bets on. Given the relatively small number of subs that FuboTV has (still under 700k) and the ease with which their internet-connected subs can instead place bets on any game in much more popular apps like DraftKings, Bet MGM and FanDuel, I'm skeptical that FuboTV can ever become profitable without a significant price hike. (Being so small, they obviously have higher per-sub channel carriage costs than do the big boys.) But raising prices, of course, would probably spell their demise since their relatively cheap price is by far the main reason anyone chooses it over other options.

Feels a lot like PS Vue 2.0 to me.
 

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Unless you have a bet on the game who cares? (do people actually bet on pre-season games? THAT'S gambling addiction!!). I don't watch too much pre-season, it's boring to me, and at least for Giants games, they are local broadcasts focused on the Giants so I want to learn a little about the new players or how some injured players are coming along. So those interviews are fine. I agree, I do find in game interviews for games that matter annoying. I've seen ESPN do this for their NFL games too. I remember a Giants-Cowboys game a few years back where they spend the whole 2nd or 3rd QTR interviewing Emmett Smith who just HAPPENED to be doing DWITS that season, so they talked a little about football and the rest on how Emmett will do on the show. Meanwhile one team was marching toward a TV and it felt like an afterthought to the announcers. That is when my true hatred of ESPN began.
At least we agree that ESPN is awful. As to preseason games, I don't think most viewers of these games are watching to see who wins. It's mostly about players vying for roster spots, position battles, and draft picks who may or may not be starters during the season. When Bears fans are watching a preseason game, do you think they would rather be watching Justin Fields play QB or one of the starters standing on the sideline jabbering with the announcers?
 

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B. Shoe, are you getting the streaming-only version of Sunday Ticket or do you also have DirecTV?
Streaming-only package. This will be my third year with the streaming-only package. I was with DIRECTV for five years in my former residence. When I moved to a new town just about two years ago, fiber internet was available and I moved to all-streaming for everything.
 
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