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In one of the posts, Earl mentioned that for all the commands such as "skip to end", "skip to beginning", etc. a completely separate IR command is sent after 3 seconds. I know most people, including myself, with Harmony remotes have some difficulty getting these commands to execute successfully. The best solution was to hold the button for 3 seconds, release, then press again.

After thinking about what Earl said, I decided to try something. I had the Harmony learn a new command directly from the HR20 remote. What I did was block the IR emitter (with my hand) for 3 seconds then quickly point the remote at my Harmony just in time to catch that separate command.

It works!

Now my "skip to end" works just like it does on my Tivo.

This is not an easy process though. It takes a lot of guess and checking. What I did was create 5 different commands such as SkipEnd1,SkipEnd2, SkipEnd3, etc. and attempt my "hand blocking" technique 5 times. I then tested it on the receiver and once I found a successful command, I went back and deleted the others.

Hope this works for everyone else.
 

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Many have suspected that this would be feasible, and you are the first to post that has actually done it afaik. I may try this later in the week if I get some free time. Thanks for posting this.
 

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Interested to see if this would work with slow motion as well! I'm up for trying it if I have time this weekend. Are you saying that you completely blocked the emitter until the 3 seconds had passed? Also I'm wondering if the following would help - some camcorders have a "night vision" mode which renders the IR emissions visible. If you hooked up your camcorder to a monitor while capturing, you could see the pause between the two commands.
 

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avatar230 said:
Do you still have to hold the button down for three seconds with the successful command, or does it skip to end as soon as you press the button?
If you program it correctly on the Harmony, it will require only a single button press.
 

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lamontcranston said:
If you hooked up your camcorder to a monitor while capturing, you could see the pause between the two commands.
I tried this with my digital camera as well. It's no help. In fact it made me wonder how exactly IR works. No matter which button I pressed it all looked the same--just rapidly flashing lights.

avatar, Just one button press.

lamontcranston, yes I blocked it for 3 seconds. But, I suppose you could also just point the remote away for 3 seconds.

By the way, I wasn't really paying attention to which method worked the best. For some of my "trials" I held down the button until the software captured the command. Other times, I released the button right after I pointed it at the harmony.
 

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Thanks for the tip....now if I could get my damn 880 to switch sources on my new tv, I'd be set.
 

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I wonder if there is any way to dump the 880 configuration to a file and load the command from that file.
Someone just has to add a "new" HR20 device to the Harmony database. Just come up with some unique name like "HR20-DBSTALK". We can put all the custom commands we want on there and share it amongst ourselves. I'm fairly certain that when you try to add a new device that's not in the Harmony database, it will take the info you input and upload that to the database.
 

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I've got an MX-650 and I don't believe I can download from the website. Either the command has to be manually learned or I have to have the code for the original remote.

I'd be leery of overwriting commands that I've already had to manually learn. Any advice? (other than buying a more robust remote and starting over?)
 

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Just to update. I went back and tried to program all the other commands such as Skip to Beginning and Skip to Next Tick and I couldn't for the life of me get it to work.

Then I went back to try Skip to End again and couldn't get that one either.

I assume this means you have to nail the timing dead on, which means I got really lucky the first time around. I'm still playing around with the timing, but if I can manage to get all the commands captured, I have no problem seeing if Harmony will add them to the database.

Keith

UPDATE: I got Skip to Beginning to work partially. It skips back a couple times before going to the beginning.

UPDATE: There's something very particular that must be done, which I'm trying to figure out. If I block the IR emitter of the HR20 remote for 2 1/2 seconds then unblock it, the HR20 does not skip to end. This means that it's not just a matter of catching that one command at the 3 second mark. I'm thinking it must be a combination of the slip command and the skip to end command.

If anyone else has the time to experiment, input would help.
 

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On a related topic, I was successful in creating several sequences that act like macros by having the remote learn a series of commands. For example, I have a 120 second skip on my TiVo by having it learn 4 30 second skips ( also have a 28 second replay with 4 replays):grin:
 

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keithki said:
In one of the posts, Earl mentioned that for all the commands such as "skip to end", "skip to beginning", etc. a completely separate IR command is sent after 3 seconds. I know most people, including myself, with Harmony remotes have some difficulty getting these commands to execute successfully. The best solution was to hold the button for 3 seconds, release, then press again.

After thinking about what Earl said, I decided to try something. I had the Harmony learn a new command directly from the HR20 remote. What I did was block the IR emitter (with my hand) for 3 seconds then quickly point the remote at my Harmony just in time to catch that separate command.

It works!

Now my "skip to end" works just like it does on my Tivo.

This is not an easy process though. It takes a lot of guess and checking. What I did was create 5 different commands such as SkipEnd1,SkipEnd2, SkipEnd3, etc. and attempt my "hand blocking" technique 5 times. I then tested it on the receiver and once I found a successful command, I went back and deleted the others.

Hope this works for everyone else.
Nice, I'll have to try this when I get home. Thanks!
 

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Anyone have any further success with this yet? I certainly haven't. I tried for an hour and couldn't get one to work. I tried everything I could think of, but no luck. Would be grateful if someone gets it and can share them to the Harmony database.
 

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I was able to get the skip forward to work after a good 15 minutes of trying. So pressing the button one time causes it to fast forward for about 1/2 second and then it jumps. Much better than before! Still no luck with skip to end or beginning. The Harmony software takes so long to update it gets frustrating. But I'll keep trying when I have the patience.
 

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Guys, I got it! I'm not sure how/if I can upload my results to the harmony database. If someone knows how to do that, let me know.

Here's how I did it:

1.) Set the length of IR signal being sent to 3. Go into the Device options page for the device in question and go into Troubleshoot. On the first screen, select "Show me more problems" and click Next. On the second screen, select "<device> doesn't appear to receive every command correctly" and click Next. On the third screen, select "The device responds too much to some commands (for example, volume up increases the volume too quickly)" and click Next. Now you're on a screen that allows you adjust the length of the IR signal being sent (I think that's what this does). Set this to 3.

2.) Learn the IR commands from the HR20 remote in RAW mode. When you get to the screen showing all the IR commands, click the "Custom" button in the lower right corner (I'm using a TC30 from Harman/Kardon and it has slightly different software so this may be a little different for the Logitech software, but the bottom line is to learn in RAW mode). You should then see buttons to "Learn RAW". Simply create a new command and then learn the IR command in RAW mode from the HR20 remote. I didn't do any "timing" or blocking of IR sensors. I just held down the HR20 remote button for 3 seconds and released. For each command it took me two tries. The first time, the software warns that I may be holding down the button for too long. Simply do it again for 3 seconds and it then accepts the command.

3.) Update your remote and test.

All four "skip to" commands worked for me the first time using this method. As an example of how they work, take the skip to next tick. When I press this button (and release immediately) on my Harmony (TC30) it puts the HR20 into 1xFF for 3 seconds and then it jumps to the next tick and begins playing normally.

Let me know if you have any questions. Hope this works for everyone.
 
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