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i know you can order this box from Dish, but, just wondering if anyone has seen this box at their local Sears? i stopped in at one near my location, but, they had never heard of it. i could have sworn i read that this box would be sent to Sears retailers also---just like the $60 ones they have now (DTVPal). curious if anyone has any info?
 

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The only box released so far is the DTVPal, it was supposed to be $40 when they announced it as the Dr-40, but it was released under this model number with the price of $60. The Dr-50 has not been released yet.
 

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I doubt you will ever find the TR-40 CRA at a local Sears. You'd have a better chance of finding one at a local DISH retailer, but that doesn't seem very likely either.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/dtvpal/faq.shtml and click on Difference between them:
TR-40 CRA is a special limited production version of the DTVPal. Offered at the government coupon price of $40, the TR-40 CRA includes the highly-acclaimed features and functionality of the DTVPal.
I wouldn't expect a limited production run to make it through Sears distribution channel, especially if they can keep selling DTVPal for $20 more.

You may as well bite the bullet and pay DISH the $8.95 shipping (and I was charged CA tax on $48.95 for $12.50 net cost).
 

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No tax for me. Installed one this weekend at our cottage. Works OK.

One bad feature. We have a dish 501 there also. But I only have an old "deluxe" dish pointing at 119 only. So no locals. Hence the tr-40. The [problem is the remote seems to transmit on EVERY remote channel! It did not matter what channel I set the Dish to, the tr-40 remote effected it. I ended up getting an old dish remote and programming it to only channel 1. Then it worked only on the tr-40 and not on both it and the 501 with the 501 on a different remote channel.

Just something to watch out for.
 

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One bad feature. We have a dish 501 there also. But I only have an old "deluxe" dish pointing at 119 only. So no locals. Hence the tr-40. The [problem is the remote seems to transmit on EVERY remote channel! It did not matter what channel I set the Dish to, the tr-40 remote effected it. I ended up getting an old dish remote and programming it to only channel 1. Then it worked only on the tr-40 and not on both it and the 501 with the 501 on a different remote channel.
you can also program the "aux" button on your remote for the 501 to...i believe it is "301" to controll the tr-40. I'll double-check that and amend the post if I find its different. Also, you can probably get your old dish upgraded to a dish 500 for free....just call and ask...
 

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No tax for me. Installed one this weekend at our cottage. Works OK.

One bad feature. We have a dish 501 there also. But I only have an old "deluxe" dish pointing at 119 only. So no locals. Hence the tr-40. The [problem is the remote seems to transmit on EVERY remote channel! It did not matter what channel I set the Dish to, the tr-40 remote effected it. I ended up getting an old dish remote and programming it to only channel 1. Then it worked only on the tr-40 and not on both it and the 501 with the 501 on a different remote channel.

Just something to watch out for.
The TR-40 / DTVPal remote uses address zero and your 501 (like almost all older receivers) responds to either address zero or the configured address. The TR-40 responds to address 0 or 1. Another workaround for your situation is to tape over the IR sensor on the 501 to ignore the address zero IR from the TR-40 remote (the 501 would still respond to UHF from the "platinum" remote). Newer receivers with TV1-TV2 outputs do NOT respond to address zero IR on TV1 and wouldn't have the conflict, and those are the receivers that come with newer remotes (5.2, 5.2, 6.2, 6.3) where you can program Aux to operate the TR-40 / DTVPal as puckwithahalo described. That leaves you needing a single remote, but you lose Aux that might be used for audio or whatever.
 

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garys said:
The only box released so far is the DTVPal, it was supposed to be $40 when they announced it as the Dr-40, but it was released under this model number with the price of $60. The Dr-50 has not been released yet.
Actually, the DTVPal and the TR-40cra are both out. I am getting two TR-40cra's from solidsignal.com for a total of two coupons and $12.95 Shipping.

Per Dish, "There are no difference in functions and features between the DTV Pal and the TR-40cra." (And the prices of $60 vs $40)
 

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That confirms my suspicion that the TR-40 CRA exists only as a model number for the sole purpose of fulfilling their promise to offer a box that is free (with coupon). Anyone know if this is the result of a class action, FTC complaint, or something else?
 

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I don't "know", but DISH issued several press releases saying they would have "no cost to consumer" boxes available in time for the Wilmington NC trial transition to DTV on 8-Sep. People there have a better shot at finding a TR-40 in some store than the rest of us.

Other than the silkscreen of TR-40, they look the same. The TR-40 box is plain brown cardboard with black print instead of the DTVPal's glossy box with color. Doubt that is the $20 savings. ;)

The TR-40 does come with a F103 Software Version that is newer than initial DTVPals, but that sys info screen also shows
Model ID DTVPal.
 

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Phil T said:
Ultimate electronics has the DTVPal. I got two for the coupons + tax. Now they are advertising them for $59.00.
Why would one now pay $59 for the DTVPal when the TR-40cra is functionally identical and goes for $40?

From Tech support at Echostar, "There are no difference in functions and features between the DTV Pal and the TR-40cra."
 

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Why would one now pay $59 for the DTVPal when the TR-40cra is functionally identical and goes for $40?"
Ultimate Electronics was a pretty unique case. For a long time, they were running an ad at the $40 price, but the picture was a TR-40. What they really sold to the customer was a DTVPal, but at the $40 price point. I *think* Phil T probably got his for the coupon, but I guess UE saw the error of their ways and sells them for $59 - now that you can get them for $40 elsewhere.
 

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Why would one now pay $59 for the DTVPal when the TR-40cra is functionally identical and goes for $40?

From Tech support at Echostar, "There are no difference in functions and features between the DTV Pal and the TR-40cra."
Tech Support's retarded... There is a difference. Models are only generated when there is a hardware (or mass release software/phase out) difference.
 

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Tech Support's retarded... There is a difference. Models are only generated when there is a hardware (or mass release software/phase out) difference.
Well, since I won't have a DTVPal next to a TR-40, I'll probably not know what differences there are. From the DTVPal website, they now look identical, when the original TR-40 was quite different. There always was speculation that the software inside might be different, or the TR-40 might have some built in Dishnetwork advertising. The CSR I just spoke to mentioned something about simplified packaging and documentation, or something like that, but he did repeat the verbiage from the website that said there were no functional differences.

I think Dish just got embarrassed at having announced a $40 converter box and just decided to make a special run of DTVPals and sell them at a loss. Maybe they actually did try and reduce the component costs and eliminated some _future_ capabilities of the DTVPal to come up with the TR-40CRA.

But in any case, I used my two coupons to order two TR-40CRA's. I wonder what the "CRA" means? Funny thing is that the online order page (reached from DTVPal.com) took my information and then refused to process the order. A message on the screen said that they determined that I am a current or former Dishnetwork customer so I would have to call a toll-free number. So I called it, and the CSR had no clue what I was talking about. But he worked through it and put me on hold twice, and 20 minutes later, I had an order for 2 TR-40CRA's for a total of $22.80. Shipping was $8.95 each and $4.90 in sales tax.

I still wonder why, as a Dishnetwork customer, I was stopped from submitting the order online? I sort of expected the CSR to try and upsell me on some more satellite receivers, but he didn't.

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I still wonder why, as a Dishnetwork customer, I was stopped from submitting the order online? I sort of expected the CSR to try and upsell me on some more satellite receivers, but he didn't.
Kinda silly ... so they lost my sale. I purchased through a reseller who didn't care if I had a DISH Network account or not.

I wish DISH would have got these out earlier ... I ended up spending my coupons on $59.95 boxes. Now that DISH has a $40 box I still want a couple. Might as well get them now before I have to pay $59.95 for these as well.

A TR-50 for $299 ... no thank you. I trust that the UI will be nice but I can get a DVR/DVD burner for $299. That's way too high for me. Call me when they are $149. :)
 
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