[ASOT]

I did a search here, but didn’t find anyone using component connections.

I am trying to figure out the best way to hook up a new DVDR to offload content from the 622. I understand all the HD stuff and that all recordings will have to be SD with the 622 set at 480i.

I have the 622 going out to an AVR using the component output. And then, component out to the TV from the AVR. Can I just stick the DVDR inline between the 622 and the AVR? To play a DVD, I would turn off the 622?

Or

I have heard others talk about using s-video from TV1 and I could do that, but as I understand the AVR... you must use the same connection type along the whole path (s-video to the tv) So this would be:

622 to DVDR (s-vid)
DVDR to AVR (s-vid)
AVR to TV (s-vid)

Using this method, I would have to select a different input on the AVR (like video 3 or something) when I want to record. I can live with this if it will work. In fact, the more I think of it, this may be the best method… whole new path for recording. But then for playback, I’m only getting s-video.

I do have a separate DVD player that could be used for playback, hooked up by component to the AVR DVD inputs. Maybe this is a better approach for playback of DVD’s?

Basically, I’m a little confused on the whole picture here. Any suggestions?

Ron

 

[Ron Barry]

So am I Ron? NOt sure what you are trying to accomplish. If you have a DVDR that accept Component there is nothing stoping you from feeding it component from the 622. As to getting it from the DVDR to the TV, well that depends on what your DVDR has. Most DVDRs I have seen only have svideo and composite going into them so I have not played with one that has component.

ANother option would be to use HDMI to your TV if you have a HDMI or DVI connector and then take the component to your DVDR.

Is that what you are looking for?

 

[ASOT]

Thanks Ron, I think that helped.

Yes my DVDR has component in and outs, so maybe Im just making this too hard (or it's getting too late).

I guess that I am confirming that the 622 will output (when set to 480i) to a DVDR via component. Most of the discussions seem to be using S-video.

So, connect via component inline between 622 and AVR... set output to 480i on the 622 and I should be good to go?

btw, I do have HDMI connections on the 622 and TV, but not on DVDR or AVR, so I'm not quite at the HDMI level.

Thanks,

Ron

 

[Ron Barry]

Has to be 480i? Trying to remember if you can set your componenet to 480i. I know you can do 1080i, 720p, and 480p but I am not sure if there is a 480i setting. Memory is bad..

Why 480i? If they are going to the trouble of providing component in and out you would think they would allow higher than 480i.

 

[ASOT]

Well this is my first DVDR, so I'm kinda new to this, but....

I currently have all component connections... 622 to AVR to a HD TV. The 622 is set to output at 1080i 6x9.

My aim is to offload HD and SD recordings from the 622 to the DVDR.

My understandings (if correct):

1) To offload content from the 622, I must replay the recording and output to the DVDR... recording as it is playing.

2) The 622 will not output anything higher than 480i to a DVD recorder. Hence the need to set the 622 to 480i 4x6#2.

So my original question, basically, was to confirm that this will work using component connections or do I have to output with s-vid to record off the 622.

Thanks for your help,

Ron

 

[whatchel1]

Thanks Ron, I think that helped.

Yes my DVDR has component in and outs, so maybe Im just making this too hard (or it's getting too late).

I guess that I am confirming that the 622 will output (when set to 480i) to a DVDR via component. Most of the discussions seem to be using S-video.

So, connect via component inline between 622 and AVR... set output to 480i on the 622 and I should be good to go?

btw, I do have HDMI connections on the 622 and TV, but not on DVDR or AVR, so I'm not quite at the HDMI level.

Thanks,

Ron

If you take the component out of the 622 to the DVD-R then you are going to have to set it to 480P or I which will also set you to viewing only in that resolution on your HDTV (It changes the resolution on both the component & HDMI). You will be better served to come out of the S-Video and L/R audio jacks which automatically sends you 480 I. Of course it would be easier to take the A/V jacks out of TV2 at 480 I into the DVD-R and the record section of the DVD-R will do the conversion to 480P. That is the way I have my DVD recorder (mine is a dual format/dual layer unit) hooked up. The advantage to taking the S-vid out is the 16x9 on HD programs but you will not be able to record from it without watching it on TV 1. The advantage to using TV2 with AV out is you can play back to the record while watching TV 1 but the disadvantage is that the recording will be 4x3 on the recording from the output of TV2, I have contacted Dish as to why it crops the sides of the show that are recorded in 16x9 shows. They have confirmed that it does do this and there are no plans to change this feature.

 

[ASOT]

If you take the component out of the 622 to the DVD-R then you are going to have to set it to 480P or I which will also set you to viewing only in that resolution on your HDTV (It changes the resolution on both the component & HDMI). You will be better served to come out of the S-Video and L/R audio jacks which automatically sends you 480 I. Of course it would be easier to take the A/V jacks out of TV2 at 480 I into the DVD-R and the record section of the DVD-R will do the conversion to 480P. That is the way I have my DVD recorder (mine is a dual format/dual layer unit) hooked up. The advantage to taking the S-vid out is the 16x9 on HD programs but you will not be able to record from it without watching it on TV 1. The advantage to using TV2 with AV out is you can play back to the record while watching TV 1 but the disadvantage is that the recording will be 4x3 on the recording from the output of TV2, I have contacted Dish as to why it crops the sides of the show that are recorded in 16x9 shows. They have confirmed that it does do this and there are no plans to change this feature.

Ok, so if I understand you correctly, by using s-vid, I will not have to change the setting on the 622 to 480... it will out put that way.

Also, using TV1 s-vid, it will record at 16x9, but you can not watch anything other than what is being recorded. (thats ok with me).

By using TV2 s-vid, you can watch different program on TV1, but TV2 will record in 4x3 only.

Now here's my question... I dont mind changing the output of the 622 when recording if I use component. I will only be offloading content from the 622 when I'm not watching any thing else. So it would be no problem to switch the 622 to 480 and then back to 1080 when I'm done.

Will it still record 16x9 using component this way? Is there any benefit to using component over s-vid or because it will all be 480 anyway, there will be no benefit to using component.

Very good information and thank you very much.

Ron

 

[lujan]

If anyone is interested, I'm able to record to a Panasonic DVD recorder and maintain the original aspect ratio (16x9) by connecting the 622 via the S-video output and making sure that the media is DVD Ram. Prior to using DVD Ram, the DVD recorder would convert the picture from 16x9 to 4x3. After I started using DVD Ram, the recordings are still in 16x9 which I'm very happy with. I don't even have to change the resolution on the 622, I leave it on 720p all the time.

 

[whatchel1]

If anyone is interested, I'm able to record to a Panasonic DVD recorder and maintain the original aspect ratio (16x9) by connecting the 622 via the S-video output and making sure that the media is DVD Ram. Prior to using DVD Ram, the DVD recorder would convert the picture from 16x9 to 4x3. After I started using DVD Ram, the recordings are still in 16x9 which I'm very happy with. I don't even have to change the resolution on the 622, I leave it on 720p all the time.

Why would using a RAM disc make any difference it is just a 2 sided recordable DVD medium. The difference is the fact that you are coming out of the TV 1 S-video output on the 622. If you hook up your recorder to the composite TV2 and use the RAM disc it is still going to get only a 4x3 picture. The medium that you use will make no difference at all. In fact if you use a standard DVD on the setup you have now it will be in 16x9 on the HD also. It is also going to be costing you much more to use the RAM disc than using a standard or RW type disc.

 

[ASOT]

If anyone is interested, I'm able to record to a Panasonic DVD recorder and maintain the original aspect ratio (16x9) by connecting the 622 via the S-video output and making sure that the media is DVD Ram. Prior to using DVD Ram, the DVD recorder would convert the picture from 16x9 to 4x3. After I started using DVD Ram, the recordings are still in 16x9 which I'm very happy with. I don't even have to change the resolution on the 622, I leave it on 720p all the time.

You may leave the 622 on 720p, but the output of the s-vid connections are still only 480.

And from what whatchel1 says, you must be using the TV1 s-vid to get the 16x9. Can you confirm that you are using TV1 s-vid? Are you sure you didnt change anything except the type of meda?

Ron

 

[lujan]

I'm sure I didn't change anything but the media. Even the Panasonic manual says that it will support 16x9 if you use DVD Ram rather than any other type of media. I'll see if I can find the manual on a web site somewhere and point to the exact page.

 

[koji68]

I'm sure I didn't change anything but the media. Even the Panosonic manual says that it will support 16x9 if you use DVD Ram rather than any other type of media. I'll see if I can find the manual on a web site somewhere and point to the exact page.

My Hitachi camcorder can use DVD-RAM or DVD-R but can only record in 16x9 format to a DVD-RAM disk. I'm not sure why.

16x9 format has more data and DVD-RAM disks are faster so maybe that's why. Just thinking out loud. :scratch:

 

[lujan]

I'm sure I didn't change anything but the media. Even the Panasonic manual says that it will support 16x9 if you use DVD Ram rather than any other type of media. I'll see if I can find the manual on a web site somewhere and point to the exact page.

Go to this site:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wc...24987&surfCategory=DVD Recorders&displayTab=R

Click on "Operating Instructions" toward the bottom of the page and then go to page 4. It says in the middle of the page:

Recording 16:9 aspect picture - DVD Ram

DVD Ram is the only media that can record a 16X9 movie/show on this recorder.

 

[whatchel1]

Go to this site:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wc...24987&surfCategory=DVD Recorders&displayTab=R

Click on "Operating Instructions" toward the bottom of the page and then go to page 4. It says in the middle of the page:

Recording 16:9 aspect picture - DVD Ram

DVD Ram is the only media that can record a 16X9 movie/show on this recorder.

I have the DMR-ES35V model (it is a combo VHS/DVD unit) and I had not noticed that it says something like this in mine as well. In my manual it is just marked w/ a little x and a notation that it records in 4x3. Guess I will have to get a few of the RAM disc so I can record to them then transfer to a standard disc on my PC. One other thing does your unit display the time of day on the front panel display?

 

[lujan]

Yes, my Panasonic displays the time of day on the front.

 

[ASOT]

So, just to follow up on how it worked...

All my equipment is set up using component connections. I had to run a new s-vid line as follows:

Video:
622 (TV1 s-vid) to DVDR
DVDR (s-vid) to AVR
AVR (s-vid) to TV

Audio:
622 (TV1 composite) to DVDR
DVDR (composite) to AVR

So to record a show off the 622, I have to set the 622 to 4x6#2, set the AVR audio to recognize composite inputs (normaly set at Optical), and set the TV to Video 2 (new s-vid input)... whew !! I just received a new Harmony Remote, so we'll see if it can do all this in one step. Also, using this method, I can not watch anything else while it is recording, but I get 16x9.

I did some test recordings of HD material from the 622 to the HDD of the DVDR and they look pretty good. They display at 16x9, but they are letterboxed on all sides. During playback, I can use the zoom on the TV to fill the screen. PQ is good, not HD, but definately usable... Better than the SD channels.

I won't use the DVDR for playback of DVD's, because it is connected via s-vid and composite audio, but I have a separate DVD player connected via component and optical, so that won't be a problem.

I think this will work for me... Only doing it to archive off the 622.

Thanks for all the help.

Ron

 

[harsh]

If anyone is interested, I'm able to record to a Panasonic DVD recorder and maintain the original aspect ratio (16x9) by connecting the 622 via the S-video output and making sure that the media is DVD Ram.

This is likely due to the fact that DVD does not support a display mode that DVD-RAM does.

 

[David_Levin]

This has been discussed many times.

Component should be the best picture, but the 622 would need to be set to 480i so you will not be able to watch hi-def while recording (nice for pausing out commercials).

You're connections are about right. I connect my 622 to the TV with HDMI, then also connect the dvd recorder directly to the TV with component (this allows me to monitor the recorder without affecting the recording. 622 to DVDR with TV1 svideo (or TV2 in single mode) gives full control over aspect ration selection.

It would be cool to use TV2 in dual mode (you'd be able to watch something different while dubbing), but then you'd lose the aspect control.

You'll get a MUCH better wide-screen recording if you record an anamorphic DVD (leave the 622 as 16:9). If recording 4:3 you're better off with 4x3#2 (otherwise the 622 will distort the s-video to anamorphic). Right now your wasting valuable pixels recording black bars - recording anamorphic uses the entire image (that's how commercial DVDs do it).

When recording Std-Def Lbx (like Rescue-Me), I leave the 622 to 16x9 then Use the 622 zoom to remove the box. This send anamorphic (without a box) to the dvd recorder. Again, the object is to not waste picture real estate recording black bars.

The Philips recorders will not automatically set the anamorphic flag (needed to tell the dvd player to create a letterbox for a 4:3 TV). Best way around this is to record to RW, copy to a PC, set the flag (ifoedit), & reburn.

(mods should capture these instructions - I have to search for them everytime)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=3783431&&#post3783431
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8568824&highlight=ifoedit+anamorphic#post8568824
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=370977&postcount=4
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=53738&highlight=ifoedit
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=39537&highlight=ifoedit

 

[David_Levin]

Has to be 480i? Trying to remember if you can set your componenet to 480i. I know you can do 1080i, 720p, and 480p but I am not sure if there is a 480i setting. Memory is bad..

Why 480i? If they are going to the trouble of providing component in and out you would think they would allow higher than 480i.

The Philips/Magnovox recorders have component in that accepts 480i only. It wouldn't know what to do with 480p since all std-def DVDs are recorded as 480i (a progressive DVD player converts 480i to 480p).

Even providing outputs higher then 480i is somewhat useless since the DVD source is only 480i. Up-conversion to progressive works well, but most hi-def TVs can do it better then the DVD player anyway.

 

[Ron Barry]

Didn't know that David.. Always thought 480p was more than a DVD convert feature. Always nice to learn something new.

I will place your links on our Tips Sticky.. Thanks!