'Advanced' DVR Features like MRV/DLB will be NewTIVO only?

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1948GG

Discussion Starter · Sep 4, 2008

Okay, folks have had enough time to digest the 'public' press releases from DirecTV and TIVO.

What we don't know, however, are the private (non-public) agreements as to how the new machine and/or software, is to be fielded, sold, and the profits distributed between the partners.

In short, I suspect that any 'advanced' features like MRV and DLB, irrespective of the hints here and there by the corporate types at DirecTV over the past x years, will be limited to the TIVO interface. (And I won't talk about the 'non-support/support' for eSATA).

Those with the basic HR2x machines need not apply. All kinds of pricing has been
mentioned, but just about everything is a shot in the dark at this point, but I'd think $10/month per unit is probably about right. Maybe $20/month.

But whatever, the poll simply asks, those features that everyone in existance has been asking about since day one of the HR20 ever be released for the 'standard' machines (or standard release software) out there right now. Very narrow question.

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LarryFlowers

· #2 · Sep 4, 2008

1948GG said:
Okay, folks have had enough time to digest the 'public' press releases from DirecTV and TIVO.

What we don't know, however, are the private (non-public) agreements as to how the new machine and/or software, is to be fielded, sold, and the profits distributed between the partners.

In short, I suspect that any 'advanced' features like MRV and DLB, irrespective of the hints here and there by the corporate types at DirecTV over the past x years, will be limited to the TIVO interface. (And I won't talk about the 'non-support/support' for eSATA).

Those with the basic HR2x machines need not apply. All kinds of pricing has been
mentioned, but just about everything is a shot in the dark at this point, but I'd think $10/month per unit is probably about right. Maybe $20/month.

But whatever, the poll simply asks, those features that everyone in existance has been asking about since day one of the HR20 ever be released for the 'standard' machines (or standard release software) out there right now. Very narrow question.

Somebody had to start it... how sad...

You aren't going to see a bloody TIVO for at least a year and who knows what the rules will be by then and based on past performance of both TIVO and DirecTV, well does the word "SOON" mean anything to you...

Don't stir the pot unless you see it in writing from a real source.:nono2::nono2::nono2:

houskamp

· #3 · Sep 4, 2008

I think a lot of the "features" will be MIA.. as well as the backdoor codes..
Wonder if they will charge extra for external harddrives too

tcusta00

· #4 · Sep 4, 2008

Only took 13 hours and 14 minutes from the time of the press release to break out the tinfoil hats. Congrats!

Canis Lupus

· #5 · Sep 4, 2008

I voted "I Don't Care"

That ship has sailed so far there's scurvy aboard.

RobertE

· #6 · Sep 4, 2008

1948GG said:
Okay, folks have had enough time to digest the 'public' press releases from DirecTV and TIVO.

What we don't know, however, are the private (non-public) agreements as to how the new machine and/or software, is to be fielded, sold, and the profits distributed between the partners.

In short, I suspect that any 'advanced' features like MRV and DLB, irrespective of the hints here and there by the corporate types at DirecTV over the past x years, will be limited to the TIVO interface. (And I won't talk about the 'non-support/support' for eSATA).

Those with the basic HR2x machines need not apply. All kinds of pricing has been
mentioned, but just about everything is a shot in the dark at this point, but I'd think $10/month per unit is probably about right. Maybe $20/month.

But whatever, the poll simply asks, those features that everyone in existance has been asking about since day one of the HR20 ever be released for the 'standard' machines (or standard release software) out there right now. Very narrow question.

No, I don't think they will limit these "advanced" features to the Tivo platform.

Whats to say that these features won't be the +DVR platform only, not the Tivo?

As to seeing it in 2H 09? :lol: Right, I'll believe it when I can hold it in my hands. How long as that cable Tivo been coming soon?

I have a feeling that it will be late 1H 10 if not 2H 10 before this thing sees the light of day.

1948GG

Discussion Starter · #7 · Sep 4, 2008

LarryFlowers said:
Don't stir the pot unless you see it in writing from a real source.:nono2::nono2::nono2:

Define a 'real source'...?

As someone who's company was under contract with TIVO, INC. in 2000 (for 6 months, until we came to the conclusion their intent was to, well, engage in poor business practices), I simply suspect that any further improvement of the HR2x is at a complete standstill at this point.

Anytime those features or any real improvement occurs, then I guess I'll be wrong. Big deal. We shall see.

BTW, there were many SF Bay area companies that would echo my experience with that company. We were warned by many before trying to do business with them, and all the warnings were justified.

But after reading almost 1000 TIVOfanboy messages, I simply felt a little reality needed to be asked.

tcusta00

· #8 · Sep 4, 2008

1948GG said:
I simply suspect that any further improvement of the HR2x is at a complete standstill at this point.

Holy cow, that's a brash statement to make in a forum with hundreds of people making contributions every week to improve the HR2x in the CE program! Any idea how many new features have been churned out in the past few years and now you're thinking it's just gonna come to a halt? :lol: !rolling

Grentz

· #9 · Sep 4, 2008

Considering the work put forward by people around here, not to even mention the tons of work put in at Directv to further the Directv receivers, especially the HR2x, I cannot imagine they would halt anything.

MRV is the crown jewel so to speak that is seemingly work towards with every CE release. Directv2PC is in full swing, as is MediaShare, and eSata support is working its way through as well.

It would be a bad move on Directv's part to just scrap all work done IMO.

1948GG

Discussion Starter · #10 · Sep 4, 2008

tcusta00 said:
Holy cow, that's a brash statement to make in a forum with hundreds of people making contributions every week to improve the HR2x in the CE program! Any idea how many new features have been churned out in the past few years and now you're thinking it's just gonna come to a halt?

Just because someone has gotten other to work for free doesn't exactly mean that actual improvements are being made, or that suggestions/comments from folks 'working' on that are actually being taking at full value. In fact, virtually half the messaging in the 'CE' program are folks who are pretty adamant about problems, whose reports are apparently ignored.

But, unless I've lost count, btw, it's now just shy of 60 days since the last national s/w release on the HR2x series (July 16). And it appeared most of the updates on that were related to DirecTV11.

Grentz said:
MRV is the crown jewel so to speak that is seemingly work towards with every CE release.

And you know that how? From what I understand, MRV has yet to make an appearance in any of the CE's, so how do you or anyone actually knows 'work' is proceeding?

Who knows! Again, the work done (or supposedly done) won't be thrown away, far from it. It's probably seen simply as an additional revenue stream. That's the point.

If it existed now, either as a working feature, or in CE, that would be another matter. But it along with other long, long, promised things are not, so.....

That's the big question. Will work continue on providing these feature for the entire HR2x family, or... provide an 'additional revenue stream'.

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Tom Robertson

· #11 · Sep 4, 2008

1948GG said:
Define a 'real source'...?

As someone who's company was under contract with TIVO, INC. in 2000 (for 6 months, until we came to the conclusion their intent was to, well, engage in poor business practices), I simply suspect that any further improvement of the HR2x is at a complete standstill at this point.

Anytime those features or any real improvement occurs, then I guess I'll be wrong. Big deal. We shall see.

BTW, there were many SF Bay area companies that would echo my experience with that company. We were warned by many before trying to do business with them, and all the warnings were justified.

But after reading almost 1000 TIVOfanboy messages, I simply felt a little reality needed to be asked.

In this case, TiVo absolutely required this to survive, in my opinion. DIRECTV did not. DIRECTV could call the shots at the negotiating table and likely has better lawyers.

As to your Poll, I'm pretty darn certain MRV will be in the HR2x before TiVo releases in 2009. While not formally announced (and I'm not either), the roadmap is very clear and we've had some very strong hints from very important people directly...

So I'll have to vote,[strike] YES, absolutely[/strike].

Edit: Mean No! (reversed the poll question as I wrote the reply.

Cheers,
Tom

Jeremy W

· #12 · Sep 4, 2008

1948GG said:
From what I understand, MRV has yet to make an appearance in any of the CE's, so how do you or anyone actually knows 'work' is proceeding?

Anyone with enough knowledge in the way these things work can very clearly see what's being done to get MRV going. At this point, MRV is 90% ready. I'm sure you can't understand why I would say that, and I'm sure you think I'm making it all up. But it's very real, it just hasn't been spelled out yet.

bakerfall

· #13 · Sep 4, 2008

I'd say this is a mixed response. I think MRV will come to the D* DVR software, but DLB will be a Tivo only feature. The real question is, will D* figure out a way to get advanced features like > 50 season passes into their software before tivo?

tcusta00

· #14 · Sep 4, 2008

1948GG said:
Just because someone has gotten other to work for free doesn't exactly mean that actual improvements are being made, or that suggestions/comments from folks 'working' on that are actually being taking at full value. In fact, virtually half the messaging in the 'CE' program are folks who are pretty adamant about problems, whose reports are apparently ignored.

But, unless I've lost count, btw, it's now just shy of 60 days since the last national s/w release on the HR2x series (July 16). And it appeared most of the updates on that were related to DirecTV11.

Wait, what? You're saying that they're not rolling out new features and working on existing bugs?? :lol: Methinks you've clearly missed something here, GG. Here's the notes from just the latest NR:

Improved

Stability
Accurate network connection status after reboot
Overall Media Share
Channel change speed
Tuning and Recording Robustness
Fixed incorrect blue background
Fixed R icon not displaying in Folder during recording of a event in Folder
Fixed unable to Clear Delete Marks in Folders in Mark And Delete Screen
Fixed unable to modify extension on single episode of a booked series
Fixed modifying extension of already booked series does not update episodes already in ToDo
Fixed black screen shown when blackout is removed
Fixed no Kepp or Delete On Screen Display (OSD) after FF4 to end, RW, Pause, then Advanced
Tuning Robustness
MediaShare - Fixed unable to play slideshow in PIG when browsing thumbnail
MediaShare - Fixed wrong song ordering
MediaShare - Fixed blank thumbnails
MediaShare - Fixed FF of pictures jumps back instead
MediaShare - Stability
Fixed channel banner program information being incorrect after using previous button
Stability improvements, including issue after deleting in response to K/D OSD.
Fixed recently searched keyword not saved in previous screen
Fixed stuck boot 1 of 2
Recurring manual records no longer share playlist folder
Faster deleting large folder from playlist
Improved history for manual records
Fixed DIRECTV On Demand results list
Fixed issue where KEEP ICON is missing after using mark&delete
Fixed mini-guide with guide tip
Lipsync improvement
Media Share Stability
Added ability to send a Diagnostics Report back to DIRECTV (See notes)
Added New Release category for DIRECTV on Demand homepage
Mediashare compatibility with Nero MediaHome
Recording robustness
Favorite List handling of hidden ATSC channels
Auto-recording titles with symbols (e.g. Law & Order)
Mediashare media access issues
Fix for unable to acquire guide after repeated setup
Fix for loss of program guide
Program information updating in channel banner when tuning from the guide
Mediashare streaming video from the PC
Mediashare thumbnail display when using page down
Misc. minor UI tweaks
Improved HDCP support
Reordered Setup/Display Options
Fixed "Buy/Watch" option and Parental Control OSD on upcoming PPV
Fixed Queued DIRECTV On Demand items' duration
Fixed unable to "Reset Everything" when in RF remote is used (if you dare )
Fixed OnDemand advancing channel using green key
Improved Mediashare handling an empty folder
Improved Mediashare Alpha sorting photo in the left hand menu
Improved guided setup
Improved misc UI text strings
Improvements to VOD Queueing
Improvements to Review buffer
Updates to manual recordings
Improvements in Satellite Setup for SWM
Improvements in Satellite Setup for multiswitch support
Improvements in Satellite Setup for changing from one or two tuner installation selections[/color]
Fix for blackscreen on starting VOD playback from Mediashare video
Improved Interactive performance and stability
Fix for Interactive audio effects[/b]

Updated

History messages for recording and deletion events
Close Captioning Left Placement
Faster category search and sort
Faster loading DIRECTV on Demand listing
Program Info Screen text
GameSearch
User Interface (various issues addressed)
Issues with rebooting[/color]

New feature(s)

Triple Tap support (e.g. title/name/keyword search screens, favorite list naming, etc)
Search for PPV Movies in guide options panel
1-touch record hint for program cells/items
Add "Move to Top" hint OSD in the Prioritizer screen
Add a display settings option in the System Setup screen for the enabling/disabling of the 1-touch Record Tip OSD

Notes

You can now send a network issue report for any problem you are having. For more information, click here.

Your perception and reality seem to complete strangers. Allow me to introduce you to each other. Reality, meet GG. GG, meet reality.

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MIAMI1683

· #15 · Sep 4, 2008

I can't see why the questions are being asked. The correct question to ask right now is......

Will Tivo make summer of 09'. Thier history says no. They are and have been late every time. Cable was the same it was VERY late if it even exists yet? So why don't we wait for a year and see where we are at. BTW the HRxx and the +dvr line will have MRV "soon"

ATARI

· #16 · Sep 4, 2008

I think (hope) the HR2x series will have MRV and DLB before the TiVo version arrives.

A also would not classify DLB as an 'advanced' feature. It's more like a standard feature that was never incorporated.

bakerfall

· #17 · Sep 4, 2008

ATARI said:
I think (hope) the HR2x series will have MRV and DLB before the TiVo version arrives.

A also would not classify DLB as an 'advanced' feature. It's more like a standard feature that was never incorporated.

There clearly are some reasons why D* has not implemented it and I don't believe they are hardware related. Just like the 50 series link limit. The hardware can handle more, but the software seems to have issues with it.

1948GG

Discussion Starter · #18 · Sep 4, 2008

tcusta00 said:
Wait, what? You're saying that they're not rolling out new features and working on existing bugs?? :lol: Methinks you've clearly missed something here, GG. Here's the notes from just the latest NR:

Improved

Stability

Accurate network connection status after reboot
[

ETC. More infinitum...

Anyone can simply make up a 'list' and say it's been 'improved', in fact, most of those 'lists' say exactly the same thing over and over. And yet, for some 'unknown' reason, the complaints continue (on the very same items!) Hmmm, seems that the reality (as reported by actual users) doesn't meet the 'list'. List, meet reality!

But this isn't a thread as to what, if any, improvements are being made. My question is, are those improvements being APPLIED to the machine(s) in question? Focus on that if you will instead of mucking around in what has, to many, been little if any progress on a number of fronts.

The upshot is, we simply DO NOT KNOW at this point in time. It appears, however, due to the oft used term "SOON', that many of the features originally announced and continually brought up (and continually referred to by officers of the company) in threads here and elsewhere over and over, are a good topic for reasonable discussion.

Now, if we're sitting here six months from now, and those items have been released and working, then it's pretty moot. Time will tell. But I also know pretty well how the business mind works, and the new deal with TIVO and the new owners (Liberty) of DirecTV, does show an insight as to how they're thinking, and to me, it's pretty straightforward as to the path they have (perhaps) chosen.

But, this all seems reminiscent of threads a year (or two) or so ago. Those topics have yet to be concluded, either (eSATA in particular). So the 'track record' isn't good. But as both I and others have pointed out, just blink for six months (or a year) and we'll all know the outcome, good or bad.

Of course, you can simply define in your own mind what's 'good' or what's 'bad'. As pointed out in another poll thread, folks will pay $xxx simply to get the TIVO name on something. But I've already paid $yyy, for something that was promised to do xxx. AT some 'future' date.... maybe...

No doubt it will happen. At what cost and what hoops to jump through is the question being asked.

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mikewolf13

· #19 · Sep 4, 2008

Is it not way way way too early to predict features or pricing of this newTivo?

Franklly i have little expectation you will see this before 1/1/10 and probably mid -2010 based on the track record of both companies

Really a week ago people would have bet their mortgage we would never see a DTivo again..and now we are gonna project pricing and features?

patience.

bakerfall

· #20 · Sep 4, 2008

If this is just a software update for HR2X, I think they could have it done in a year. If there is new hardware involved as well, I'm not so sure.

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