ATLANTA OTA - GPTV and WUPA problems?

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dervari

Discussion Starter · Dec 21, 2006

Is anyone else having issues with 30-1 and 69-1? I get 771 on both, but have great signal strength (90+). I was getting WUPA when they had it mapped to 43-1 (as it should be), but they've changed it to 69-1 now.

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f300v10

· #2 · Dec 21, 2006

dervari said:
Is anyone else having issues with 30-1 and 69-1? I get 771 on both, but have great signal strength (90+). I was getting WUPA when they had it mapped to 43-1 (as it should be), but they've changed it to 69-1 now.

Yes, if you check the OTA issues thread you will find several posts dealing with WPBA (not GPTV, GPTV is not broadcasting a digital signal yet). As for WUPA my HR20 tunes it on 43-1. If it were working correctly it would be mapped to 69-1, but I am able to watch/record 43-1.

I am pretty sure the cause of the WPBA issues is incorrect PSIP data being broadcast by the station. I have contacted WPBA engineering to have them take a look. WUPA could be a PSIP issue as well.

My HR20 has a problem with WATL (36-1). It will not display the channel live, but it will record and play back fine. Does your HR20 have any issues with WATL?

jdeaton

· #3 · Dec 21, 2006

f300v10 said:
Yes, if you check the OTA issues thread you will find several posts dealing with WPBA (not GPTV, GPTV is not broadcasting a digital signal yet). As for WUPA my HR20 tunes it on 43-1. If it were working correctly it would be mapped to 69-1, but I am able to watch/record 43-1.

I am pretty sure the cause of the WPBA issues is incorrect PSIP data being broadcast by the station. I have contacted WPBA engineering to have them take a look. WUPA could be a PSIP issue as well.

My HR20 has a problem with WATL (36-1). It will not display the channel live, but it will record and play back fine. Does your HR20 have any issues with WATL?

I originally got 10B with the second Santa release and after running the initial antenna setup WUPA (The CW) was mapped to 43-1 and coming in fine. Last night, sometime after 10B went national, I noticed WUPA was mapped to 69-1 and I had no picture. I reran the antenna setup and WUPA was remapped to 43-1 and the picture returned. For me, WATL 36-1 displays live with no problems. I have the same issue you have with WPBA, however, on my Samsung TV, WPBA OTA is mapped to 23-1 not 30-1 and and the TV's display shows it as a 1080i signal but with no program info., and nothing is in HD. I sure hope GPTV goes digital soon as I've read Public Broadcasting has a lot of great looking HD content.

f300v10

· #4 · Dec 21, 2006

jdeaton said:
I originally got 10B with the second Santa release and after running the initial antenna setup WUPA (The CW) was mapped to 43-1 and coming in fine. Last night, sometime after 10B went national, I noticed WUPA was mapped to 69-1 and I had no picture. I reran the antenna setup and WUPA was remapped to 43-1 and the picture returned. For me, WATL 36-1 displays live with no problems. I have the same issue you have with WPBA, however, on my Samsung TV, WPBA OTA is mapped to 23-1 not 30-1 and and the TV's display shows it as a 1080i signal but with no program info., and nothing is in HD. I sure hope GPTV goes digital soon as I've read Public Broadcasting has a lot of great looking HD content.

It sounds like both WUPA and WPBA have some PSIP issues. I don't know what to think about WATL, although I never watch that channel anyway. As far as HDTV from WPBA, don't count on it any time soon. I got an email yesterday from WPBA (I sent an email asking them to check their PSIP data) that indicated they have to purchase and install a 'digital master control system' before they can resume broadcasting HDTV. The email did not give a time line on when that would happen, only that it would be done before the Jan 2009 digital conversion deadline.

dervari

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 21, 2006

I think WUPA's PSIP is fine. However, they are not remapping to 69-1. I spoke to one of their engineers who said that since Ch69 is no longer going to be in the UHF spectrum after the DTV conversion they opted to move to 43-1. If you notice, their name or logos don't have the 69 anymore. I think that may be where DTV is screwing up.

And my WUPA issues started after the national rollout also, though I think that was just a coincidence. I can no longer tune 43-1...it tells me channel not available. I did try redoing the antenna setup and still get 69-1 but no 43-1.

Strange because I get a great signal on the meter on 69-1.

greenwave

· #6 · Dec 21, 2006

I am having trouble with WUPA too (but I haven't tried to watch since setting up OTA last weekend). CBS (46-1) is also giving me fits. I suspect my issue are due to the fact that I am dead in the center of CBS, ABC, NBC, TBS and FOX towers, and within 1-2 miles of each, so my antenna can't pick them all up at once.

And I am having difficulty with the PBS station (30-1) as well.

dervari

Discussion Starter · #7 · Dec 21, 2006

I just bought a DTV2BUHF and it works great. I have it in a 2nd floor window pointing SW and can pick up everything on my TV's tuner. If only DTV can get the 30-1 and 69-1 mappings correct.....

tkrandall

· #8 · Dec 21, 2006

novice question here, sorry.

What do you mean by 43-1, 69-1, etc? I am aware that digital tv can multichannel, and that the digital broadcasts are on temporary frequency assignments at this time (as long as analog is alive), but that is about all I know at this point.

For example, for WSB channel 2, how are analog and digital channels mapped in this way?

rjc

· #9 · Dec 21, 2006

I have a question that is somewhat related...I live in N.Fulton area and would like to get a suggestion on which antenna I should buy to get the OTA channels in HD...also is there an antenna that connects around my current 5LNB dish? I would prefer that over having to have a new antenna take up more space on my roof

Also, where is the best place to shop locally for it? How much should I expect to pay for it? Will it get all of the local atlanta channels? Will it get any distant channels?
Thanks

f300v10

· #10 · Dec 21, 2006

tkrandall said:
novice question here, sorry.

What do you mean by 43-1, 69-1, etc? I am aware that digital tv can multichannel, and that the digital broadcasts are on temporary frequency assignments at this time (as long as analog is alive), but that is about all I know at this point.

For example, for WSB channel 2, how are analog and digital channels mapped in this way?

Lets take channel 2 as an example. WSB's analog signal (going away in 2009) is broadcast on VHF 2. Their digital signal is broadcast on 39, and it can contain more than 1 a/v stream (subchannels). Via. PSIP (mapping and program data in the digital the stream) the set top box is told to display 39-1 as 2-1 to the user.

greenwave

· #11 · Dec 21, 2006

dervari said:
I just bought a DTV2BUHF and it works great. I have it in a 2nd floor window pointing SW and can pick up everything on my TV's tuner. If only DTV can get the 30-1 and 69-1 mappings correct.....

dervari, how far are you from the towers? I am in town (in Morningside/Va Hi). Curious as to whether the antenna you have would work for us.

dervari

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 21, 2006

greenwave said:
dervari, how far are you from the towers? I am in town (in Morningside/Va Hi). Curious as to whether the antenna you have would work for us.

I'm in the Northlake area, a few hundred yards behind the Hollywood 24 theater on the 85N access road. I point SW and get all the major stations. It may be a little tougher for you since you're right under the antenna farms.

tsbrady1

· #13 · Dec 21, 2006

rjc, I live in Sugar Hill and have a CM 4228 in my attic with a CM 7777 amp and get everything but 46 which comes and goes, I think they use WWII surplus equipment. I believe FRY's sells them and they are around 50$, I don't remeber how much the 7777 was

tkrandall

· #14 · Dec 21, 2006

I live just north of Kennesaw Mtn and signals from Atlanta towers are shadowed by it. I doubt I will be able to get relaible OTA digital signals. Analog has always been spotty (2 being the best)

jdeaton

· #15 · Dec 21, 2006

dervari said:
I think WUPA's PSIP is fine. However, they are not remapping to 69-1. I spoke to one of their engineers who said that since Ch69 is no longer going to be in the UHF spectrum after the DTV conversion they opted to move to 43-1. If you notice, their name or logos don't have the 69 anymore. I think that may be where DTV is screwing up.

And my WUPA issues started after the national rollout also, though I think that was just a coincidence. I can no longer tune 43-1...it tells me channel not available. I did try redoing the antenna setup and still get 69-1 but no 43-1.

Strange because I get a great signal on the meter on 69-1.

OK, this is really odd. We all have 10B yet our Atlanta area HR-20's are behaving differently. I'm currently watching WUPA on 43-1, and whan I check the signal meter, 69-1 is not even listed. I wonder if changing to the Newnan zip code, 30265 prior to rerunning antenna set up would enable you to tune WUPA on 43-1. I'm pretty sure I won't be rerunning antenna setup any time soon for fear of loosing WUPA OTA. I kind of feel like that 3 leged dog named Lucky.

topprospect

· #16 · Dec 21, 2006

Just another data point: I too am having problems with 30-1 and 43-1. They both appear in my guide, but no picture on either. However if I go to the Antenna Setup and check the signal meter, both are in the 90's. 43-1 works fine if I use the OTA tuner in my TV.

I do not have any problems watching or recording 36-1.

Weird. I wish WPBA would get their act together. Nova is nice in HD.

lovswr

· #17 · Dec 21, 2006

tsbrady1 said:
rjc, I live in Sugar Hill and have a CM 4228 in my attic with a CM 7777 amp and get everything but 46 which comes and goes, I think they use WWII surplus equipment. I believe FRY's sells them and they are around 50$, I don't remeber how much the 7777 was

I live in Stockbridge & last summer I led my daughter on a rather unseccessful search to Fry's (that is one LOOONG drive from Henry County) three separate times to get the elusive, red-breasted CM 4228. I finally gave up & jsut bought whatever CM they had in my local Lowe's. I too, have had & continue to have problems with CBS.

jdeaton

· #18 · Dec 22, 2006

lovswr said:
I live in Stockbridge & last summer I led my daughter on a rather unseccessful search to Fry's (that is one LOOONG drive from Henry County) three separate times to get the elusive, red-breasted CM 4228. I finally gave up & jsut bought whatever CM they had in my local Lowe's. I too, have had & continue to have problems with CBS.

I too have looked and have never found the 4228 at Frys. There is a store called Dow Electronics just north of Frys that has the 4228, the CM7777 and all sorts of other cool stuff at very fair prices. They are a Dish Network retailer but also sell to the public. the address is:

Dow Electronics
1685 Boggs Road, Suite 200
Duluth, GA 30096
Gwinnett County
(770) 717-7447

By the way, I'm very pleased with the performance of the 4228, I don't have the 7777 pre amp. I'm 35 to 40 miles from the towers and get all the HD locals (except WPBA) with no break up.

dervari

Discussion Starter · #19 · Dec 22, 2006

Has anyone tried a RBR to see if that may clear it up?

tsbrady1

· #20 · Dec 22, 2006

I bought my 4228 a couple of years ago, at that time Dow would not sell direct to consumers so I had to go through some shop in Loganvilles that ripped me off, I have seen postings on other sites that Fry's carried the 4228, that is why I suggested them.

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