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A little background-- my HD upgrade appointment today was scheduled by an Executive Resolution Representative after an earlier line-of-site problem meant that my installation had to be put on hold until I had a tree removed. I since had the tree removed and have until today been happy with how the company has addressed my needs as a multi-year customer. The below text, sent to the Executive team sums up my absurd incident's of today. (Also, it is currently 3:40 p.m. here. We'll see if we actually see a tech by day's end.)

I feel the need to report the events of the upgrade installation that you scheduled for me for this past Saturday. The appointment that you arranged for me was for between 8 and noon. At 11:30, I received a call from someone telling me that the technician was running late and would be to my house between noon and 1 p.m. At 1:45, a technician still hadn't arrived, so I called the 1-800-333-DISH line where I was told by the customer service representative that he would put me on hold for "three to four minutes" to contact a dispatcher and find out the status of my technician. Well, he actually left me on hold for 40 minutes. When he returned to the line, he told me the technician was still running late and that we could expect him to arrive by 7 p.m.! I told him that since I had already been waiting for an 8-noon window and had agreed to expand that window to 1 p.m. when called earlier in the day that it was absurd to expect me now to wait at home until 7 p.m. for a technician that might never come. He told me my only option was to agree or reschedule to the next available date -- meaning I would just need to sit and wait again on another date. Resigned, I said I would wait, noting that I had already had to send my wife to a family event this afternoon that I was supposed to go to since the technician had missed my scheduled appointment. I also raised my frustration with being lied to earlier in the day when I was told that the tech would be one hour late and then being lied to by the phone rep who left me on hold for 40 minutes instead of 3-4.

I asked to talk to a supervisor, and he agreed -- only here's the real kicker of the day -- he forgot to put me on hold, so I had the chance to hear him laugh at me and mock me to a co-worker as he talked about my predicament!

When I finally got the supervisor on the line, I explained my frustration and he offered me a $25 credit "for my trouble." Resigned in the moment -- and not wanting to be on the phone anymore after what had been now a 57-minute call -- I said fine and hung up.

I hope that you can see that this is the worst way to treat a customer. In the course of one day, I have been lied to twice by Dish Network employees, I was verbally mocked and laughed at by an employee, I have missed an important family event because the technician didn't arrive within either the 8-noon or even the later agreed-upon noon-one appointment time and I am now sitting at home for what could likely be an 11-hour window (8 am to 7 pm) to hopefully see a technician arrive. As a long-time customer I don't think a $25 credit comes close to alleviating what I have gone through. For a company that touts itself with this line on your Web site "Whether you are an existing customer or new to the DISH Network experience, our staff of friendly and knowledgeable customer service representatives are available to assist you with all of your satellite programming and equipment needs," I have come across the exact opposite.

Please let me know how you might respond to these issues.

Thank you for your time.
 

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Are these E* tech you are dealing with or a contractor? Also, after you were laughed at did you tell the supervisor about that?
 

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jclewter79 said:
Are these E* tech you are dealing with or a contractor? Also, after you were laughed at did you tell the supervisor about that?
It's whomever E* scheduled me with, but today I've been chatting with E* CSRs. And yes I did tell the "supervisor" -- of whom after the laughing incident, I wasn't even sure if he was one... so, I just got off the phone with an aim of dealing with it higher up the chain...
 

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Don't blaim you a bit.
 

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Over the past nine or ten years, Dish's customer service has gone from really horrible to top notch and now it's sinking again, fast. I'd expect something better for the $130 a month I pay them.
 

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I'm not sure what the point of these types of threads are. Is what those guys did to you wrong? Yes. Is there anything that any of us here can do about it? No.

I can guarantee you that none of us have a red phone that has a direct line to Charlie's desk. The best way to address this problem is really just to email [email protected]. They're usually pretty good in taking care of these types of cases. (for now. . .)

BTW, scheduling and install on a day where you are DEPENDING techs to come out in a certain time frame is a tactical error. I don't mean to be rude but you can't depend on guys who really don't give a (insert expletive here) about your daily schedule to care about getting to a job site on time. I typically schedule installs on an off peak day (Monday through Wednesday) and take a vacation day.

Is this the way it's supposed to be? No
Is this right? No
Is this the unfortunate reality? Yes

Again, I don't mean to be rude. But some people expect these techs to be able to walk on water when it's really not possible in their current situations. It's the business. People get screwed like this every day and I'm sure they will continue to get screwed like this for the rest of time.
 

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I'm not sure what the point of these types of threads are. Is what those guys did to you wrong? Yes. Is there anything that any of us here can do about it? No.

I can guarantee you that none of us have a red phone that has a direct line to Charlie's desk. The best way to address this problem is really just to email [email protected]. They're usually pretty good in taking care of these types of cases. (for now. . .)

BTW, scheduling and install on a day where you are DEPENDING techs to come out in a certain time frame is a tactical error. I don't mean to be rude but you can't depend on guys who really don't give a (insert expletive here) about your daily schedule to care about getting to a job site on time. I typically schedule installs on an off peak day (Monday through Wednesday) and take a vacation day.

Is this the way it's supposed to be? No
Is this right? No
Is this the unfortunate reality? Yes

Again, I don't mean to be rude. But some people expect these techs to be able to walk on water when it's really not possible in their current situations. It's the business. People get screwed like this every day and I'm sure they will continue to get screwed like this for the rest of time.
Sir, first -- when you use the term "I don't mean to be rude," (especially when you use it twice) it pretty much means that you do.

Second, if you'd read my comment, I did email that address, I was just sharing my email with folks on the board to raise discussion on the topic if they were interested. So, since you weren't, if you truly meant not to be rude, you could have just passed on the thread and not replied.

Third, since it isn't the way it is supposed to be and since it isn't right, and just because you've resigned yourself to it being an unfortunate reality, that doesn't mean that it isn't an issue that should be addressed.

Fourth, just because you have the ability to take a vacation day to have a service you are paying for installed (an elective service at that) doesn't mean that everyone else can. When a company offers a four-hour window, I expect a reasonable attention be paid to that window, or at least honest communication about any deviations from it. With the amount of cash we are all spending on these services that is the least amount of respect that should be paid to us in return.
 

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DBS Commando said:
I'm not sure what the point of these types of threads are. Is what those guys did to you wrong? Yes. Is there anything that any of us here can do about it? No.

I can guarantee you that none of us have a red phone that has a direct line to Charlie's desk. The best way to address this problem is really just to email [email protected]. They're usually pretty good in taking care of these types of cases. (for now. . .)

BTW, scheduling and install on a day where you are DEPENDING techs to come out in a certain time frame is a tactical error. I don't mean to be rude but you can't depend on guys who really don't give a (insert expletive here) about your daily schedule to care about getting to a job site on time. I typically schedule installs on an off peak day (Monday through Wednesday) and take a vacation day.

Is this the way it's supposed to be? No
Is this right? No
Is this the unfortunate reality? Yes

Again, I don't mean to be rude. But some people expect these techs to be able to walk on water when it's really not possible in their current situations. It's the business. People get screwed like this every day and I'm sure they will continue to get screwed like this for the rest of time.
Please do not insinuate that all installers don't care about other peoples schedule. I do installs for a local retailer and I am almost always on time or early. If I am going to be late I call the customer to let them know. I do believe that people should not complain about installs that are free but I think most people post because misery loves company and they want to hear from others.
 

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Personally I think these 'kind of threads' are needed.

If I was on the public relations side of Dish Network I would try to keep these kind of issues out of the public eye. The only way to do that is to make sure the processes are in place that work.

If the process is not working then we are the voice to say so.

If Dish see's that they are losing possible 'future' customers do the problems they have read about in forums such as this one then maybe they will see it as a need to fix a broken process that is not working.

One thing that sharing this issue may help with is how customers deal with Dish when they need something fixed.

If they say there is a five hour window I think those who read this thread may think... Well he had a problem maybe I should ask a couple of questions like,, can you assure me they will be here between 12:00 and 5:00 since I will not be able to stay past 6:30. I am just asking in the case that they were not able to stick to the window.

Or.. If there is a problem with the schedule is there any way you can tell me before the date of the job. See I am taking vacation that day to stay home for this work.

I think a lot of us will ask a lot more questions to make sure are needs are not lost in the proceess.

The last install I had done with Dish was great. But I will say the one before that was a joke. I took off a few days do to missed schedules on Dish's part.
 

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Please do not insinuate that all installers don't care about other peoples schedule. I do installs for a local retailer and I am almost always on time or early. If I am going to be late I call the customer to let them know. I do believe that people should not complain about installs that are free but I think most people post because misery loves company and they want to hear from others.
I did not mean in any way to insult installers. They have jobs to do just like everyone else and like in every other job, stuff happens. When a job goes wrong, that needs their immediate attention and sometimes they are unable to move to the next job. People should realize this and not feel like Dish is giving them the proverbial finger. Things in life rarely go exactly as planned. . .
 

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Personally I think these 'kind of threads' are needed.

If I was on the public relations side of Dish Network I would try to keep these kind of issues out of the public eye. The only way to do that is to make sure the processes are in place that work.

If the process is not working then we are the voice to say so.

If Dish see's that they are losing possible 'future' customers do the problems they have read about in forums such as this one then maybe they will see it as a need to fix a broken process that is not working.

One thing that sharing this issue may help with is how customers deal with Dish when they need something fixed.

If they say there is a five hour window I think those who read this thread may think... Well he had a problem maybe I should ask a couple of questions like,, can you assure me they will be here between 12:00 and 5:00 since I will not be able to stay past 6:30. I am just asking in the case that they were not able to stick to the window.

Or.. If there is a problem with the schedule is there any way you can tell me before the date of the job. See I am taking vacation that day to stay home for this work.

I think a lot of us will ask a lot more questions to make sure are needs are not lost in the proceess.

The last install I had done with Dish was great. But I will say the one before that was a joke. I took off a few days do to missed schedules on Dish's part.
This is my point - ernste has not even given [email protected] a chance. If he doesn't receive or receives an inadequate message, then he has every right to blast E* and spread the word.
 

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Sir, first -- when you use the term "I don't mean to be rude," (especially when you use it twice) it pretty much means that you do.

My apologies if you felt that I lashed out at you.

Second, if you'd read my comment, I did email that address, I was just sharing my email with folks on the board to raise discussion on the topic if they were interested. So, since you weren't, if you truly meant not to be rude, you could have just passed on the thread and not replied.

You didn't specifically say that, so I didn't want to assume. You could have mailed them, called an office directly, etc.

Your comment

Third, since it isn't the way it is supposed to be and since it isn't right, and just because you've resigned yourself to it being an unfortunate reality, that doesn't mean that it isn't an issue that should be addressed.

You're right, it should be addressed and you did so by sending that e-mail. You can come here and talk to us but there is not much we can do to help solve your problem. (other than giving advice)

Fourth, just because you have the ability to take a vacation day to have a service you are paying for installed (an elective service at that) doesn't mean that everyone else can. When a company offers a four-hour window, I expect a reasonable attention be paid to that window, or at least honest communication about any deviations from it. With the amount of cash we are all spending on these services that is the least amount of respect that should be paid to us in return.

Your expectation is certainly warranted and I understand that not everyone has vacation days to blow on waiting for techs to come out but Dish has many more customers to worry about other than you. Maybe it's Dish's fault for overbooking? I don't know. Personally, I would let my cash do the talking and cancel with dish and move on to a new provider. Dish doesn't deserve your money after what they did to you.
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Wow! That really stinks. I know I'd be pretty hot if something like that happened to me. I'll have 12 years with E* later this year and with the exception of some shoddy work 2 of the contract techs did, I've been very happy with the service and yet to experience any problems with either appointment times or CSR/tech support over the phone. There have been a couple of times where I had to talk with someone higher on the food chain, but that's about it. Not too bad from my perspective.

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Lily Tomlin's character Ernestine was jointly enlisted by all telecom-type service providers right after the breakup of the old AT&T to prepare the training manual and video for CSR's everywhere. It's become the national standard.
 

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Lily Tomlin's character Ernestine was jointly enlisted by all telecom-type service providers right after the breakup of the old AT&T to prepare the training manual and video for CSR's everywhere. It's become the national standard.
Snort. ;)
 

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There's no excuse for the treatment by the Dish CSRs/supervisors, and, yes, these ARE Dish employees.

As for the installer, none of us knows what the situation is there, but I will say that it is very easy for a job that normally takes 2 hours to turn into a 6-8 hour job. I don't know where the OP lives exactly, but in more rural areas, there may only be one or two techs covering the day's work in an entire county, so it can be difficult to re-route another tech when one gets stuck (it's usually easier to do this in dense suburban areas, where there are many techs working a smaller area). In those situations, the installer can't just leave the call he's working on; he has to finish the job.

Having said that, the installer should have called you, or at least called his dispatch so they could update the notes on your work order.

There were too many failures here that being upset is warranted. Most of them would have only taken minimal effort to fix. That still might not have gotten your install in today, but at least you should have been better communicated to.
 

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I do believe that people should not complain about installs that are free but I think most people post because misery loves company and they want to hear from others.
I disagree that people shouldn't complain about installs that are "free." Keep in mind that your customers are entering into a contract and they are going to have to pay lots of money for service after the "free" install. They are nervous if they made the right decision and the install is the first real exposure to service with E*. A bad install experience could cause someone to drop the service and E* looses money. A good install can lead the way for someone to keep the service for many years without any issues.

Furthermore, an improper "free" install could result in damage to their house.

There is a lot of lead way for people to complain.
 

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Could be worse.

 
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