This isn't a satellite-only forum. It is for Directv. If I go to Directv.com I'm offered either a satellite variant or a streaming variant. The NFL isn't being "stupid", they are maximizing their revenue by moving to a streaming service that is willing to pay what Directv could no longer afford to (or was willing to).
Bye Bye NFL Sunday Ticket on Directv.
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Not necessarily. I'm watching an MLB game on both DirecTV and MLB.TV right now and the MLB.TV feed is only a couple of seconds behind the satellite feed.
Unfortunately that's true. The billionaire owners care how much money they are raking in, not who will or will not be able to view the games. Nevertheless, there is a good chance DirecTV will be able to strike a deal with the winning bidder. It would bring in additional revenue for the streamer, and DirecTV would no longer be losing hundreds of millions of dollars to carry the package.
It's simple, really. There is an army of people (like me) that have gotten screwed so badly by DirectTV that even though we've long since dumped the service, still follow the news about this dumpster fire of a business/company and REVEL in any failures and disasters they may have. While I knew they were going to lose the monopoly on Sunday Ticket, to see it finally confirmed makes my month.
Conservatively, 20%+ of the subscribers are only there for Sunday Ticket, and will drop D* like a warm steaming pile when they lose it.
I often watch 2 or 3 games in the same time slot on Sundays, switching between games and fast-forwarding during breaks in the games. DVR'ing the games also means I don't have to miss anything when games overlap. That's why I'm hoping DirecTV will make a deal with the winning bidder to continue carrying the games.
And Sunday ticket started on Directv and now it won’t be. You set that up perfectly
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The alternative would be the streamer coming up with an interface where one could watch multiple games of their own choice at the same time. I also expect the streamer to be storing a copy of every game live and having every game available (including games aired in a subscribers market) at some point later in the week if not later the same day.
While there is a potential that a streamer will come up with a lousy interface there is also the potential that the interface will be much better than what can be rolled at home using a DVR and channels. The biggest loss will be the DVR ability to keep a game "forever" (as long as the hard drive has free space and survives and one remains a DIRECTV subscriber) instead of only having access to previous games as long as you subscribe to the Sunday Ticket Package.
If there is an NFL Films tie in we could see access to previous years games and highlights that far exceed the product that DIRECTV was able to deliver. Sunday Ticket has the potential to be a better product.
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There is no way the NFL could be allowed to go to an all streaming service. No HD quality video in a lot of places, no way to DVR a game, a lot of disadvantages if a very popular sport like the NFL moves to streaming. It won’t work. Just watch. Fans in New York have been tweeting every Friday how they can’t see Friday Night Yankee Games because they moved them to Amazon and are wanting the games put back on YES. Just watch the NFL is making a BIG Mistake if they move games to streaming. The NFL already made a huge mistake putting the Thursday Night Game starting this year to Amazon. There will be folks mad who won’t be able to watch.
Whom, in your opinion, is going to stop them?
And they aren't going to an all streaming service. You will still get your local games on Sunday, the Sunday night game, the Monday night game and the Thursday night games if you are in one of the teams home market via the same method you have always used. NFL Sunday Ticket has always been a choice. It still is. If you don't want to stream it or can't you don't. Sunday Ticket was locked out of many peoples grasp while it was on DirecTV. Either they suscribed to DirecTV or they chose not to. This is no different.
Who is going to "disallow" it? BTW, I'm a displace Yankee fan and have been able to watch every game. Not sure of your issue? Do you not have Amazon Prime?
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No I don’t have Amazon. I am talking about the Friday Night New York Yankees games that were moved to Amazon this season. I have seen where fans are pissed there because they can’t see Yankee games on YES. You probably get those Friday night games but on the opposition’s RSN. But in New York you have to have Amazon Prime to get those games. Fans have been tweeting they want them put back on YES because many don’t have Amazon Prime Streaming.
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I bet this isn’t the last season of NFL Sunday Ticket on DIRECTV. Bet they find a way to maintain it. Whether it be commercial or residential.
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Somehow the NFL Sunday Ticket survived 20 plus years of exclusivity granted to a satellite carrier that could not be received in every home in America. I believe they will survive a move to streaming (even without commercial reception of Sunday Ticket).
The big money for the NFL comes from the broadcast deals. They would be able to survive without offering Sunday Ticket via any distributor - and there is no legal requirement that the NFL offer out of market games.
Looking at the history of NFL Sunday Ticket --
1994 ... DIRECTV launches satellite service and a few months later launches Sunday Ticket. At that time Sunday Ticket is also available via "big ugly dish" satellite systems. DIRECTV had 320,000 subscribers to their satellite service by the end of 1994. (Not a Sunday Ticket subscriber number.)
2002 ... DIRECTV renews their now exclusive deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $2 million for five years ($400 million per year) for 2003-2007. 11.7 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2002. This deal includes the then still to be launched NFL Channel. (This is reported as a renewal of an expiring 5 year/$130 million per year contract.)
2004 ... DIRECTV renews their deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $3.5 billion for five years ($700 million per year average) for 2005-2010. 13.9 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2004.
2009 ... DIRECTV renews their deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $4 billion for four years ($1 billion per year average) to extend through 2014. 18.5 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2009. This renewal allowed DIRECTV to distribute Sunday Ticket via streaming to subscribers who could not physically receive DIRECTV satellite.
2014 ... DIRECTV renews their deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $12 billion for eight years ($1.5 billion per year average) to extend through 2022. 20.3 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2014. Renewing the contract was one of the terms of the AT&T deal with DIRECTV that consummated in 2015 - although AT&T was never allowed to put Sunday Ticket on UVERSE or any version of the AT&T TV streaming services.
2021 ... AT&T sells control of DIRECTV to TPG with a stipulation that AT&T covers up to $2.5 billion in losses for the end of the Sunday Ticket deal. DIRECTV did not report satellite subscribers as a separate number so it is unknown how many of their then 15.4 million remaining subscribers were eligible to receive Sunday Ticket. The Sunday Ticket subscriber count is estimated at 2 million.
2022 ... DIRECTV declines renewal of Sunday Ticket.
There has been "outrage" over DIRECTV having an exclusive contract to carry Sunday Ticket for the past 20 years. The NFL has survived. The NFL has survived much bigger outrages than the limited availability of Sunday Ticket!
The new deal will allow the NFL to reach more people who can stream than people who subscribe to DIRECTV. Even if they lost every remaining DIRECTV satellite subscriber they would have a larger pool of people who CAN stream to market to. That larger pool makes it a lot more cost effective for a company like Apple to step in and pay $2-3 billion per year and still make a profit.
The big money for the NFL comes from the broadcast deals. They would be able to survive without offering Sunday Ticket via any distributor - and there is no legal requirement that the NFL offer out of market games.
Looking at the history of NFL Sunday Ticket --
1994 ... DIRECTV launches satellite service and a few months later launches Sunday Ticket. At that time Sunday Ticket is also available via "big ugly dish" satellite systems. DIRECTV had 320,000 subscribers to their satellite service by the end of 1994. (Not a Sunday Ticket subscriber number.)
2002 ... DIRECTV renews their now exclusive deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $2 million for five years ($400 million per year) for 2003-2007. 11.7 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2002. This deal includes the then still to be launched NFL Channel. (This is reported as a renewal of an expiring 5 year/$130 million per year contract.)
2004 ... DIRECTV renews their deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $3.5 billion for five years ($700 million per year average) for 2005-2010. 13.9 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2004.
2009 ... DIRECTV renews their deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $4 billion for four years ($1 billion per year average) to extend through 2014. 18.5 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2009. This renewal allowed DIRECTV to distribute Sunday Ticket via streaming to subscribers who could not physically receive DIRECTV satellite.
2014 ... DIRECTV renews their deal for Sunday Ticket ... paying $12 billion for eight years ($1.5 billion per year average) to extend through 2022. 20.3 million DIRECTV subscribers at the end of 2014. Renewing the contract was one of the terms of the AT&T deal with DIRECTV that consummated in 2015 - although AT&T was never allowed to put Sunday Ticket on UVERSE or any version of the AT&T TV streaming services.
2021 ... AT&T sells control of DIRECTV to TPG with a stipulation that AT&T covers up to $2.5 billion in losses for the end of the Sunday Ticket deal. DIRECTV did not report satellite subscribers as a separate number so it is unknown how many of their then 15.4 million remaining subscribers were eligible to receive Sunday Ticket. The Sunday Ticket subscriber count is estimated at 2 million.
2022 ... DIRECTV declines renewal of Sunday Ticket.
There has been "outrage" over DIRECTV having an exclusive contract to carry Sunday Ticket for the past 20 years. The NFL has survived. The NFL has survived much bigger outrages than the limited availability of Sunday Ticket!
The new deal will allow the NFL to reach more people who can stream than people who subscribe to DIRECTV. Even if they lost every remaining DIRECTV satellite subscriber they would have a larger pool of people who CAN stream to market to. That larger pool makes it a lot more cost effective for a company like Apple to step in and pay $2-3 billion per year and still make a profit.
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Irrelevant to the NFL Sunday Ticket since the NFL broadcast deals allow every game to be delivered within the team's home markets (including the Amazon games).
I don't gamble, but I believe you would lose that bet. I see ZERO chance of Sunday Ticket being available to residential DIRECTV subscribers (other than if they subscribe to NFL Sunday Ticket separately and receive it via streaming). I see commercial distribution as possible but NOT required. (Not required by law or for the success of Sunday Ticket.)
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If DirecTV is completely shut out of Sunday Ticket, I hope they will offer the Red Zone channel. For some people I know who have had Sunday Ticket in the past, but left DirecTV, they have found RZC a pretty good replacement.
I know some people have stated they were able to get RZC on DirecTV without Sunday Ticket but it is not too simple from what I have seen posted.
For those complaining about lack of broadband, don't blame the NFL. The government has poured billions into expanding broadband with pretty poor results. The NFL, or Netflix, or MLB is under zero obligation to ensure each home is served by an adequate connection to receive their programming.
I know some people have stated they were able to get RZC on DirecTV without Sunday Ticket but it is not too simple from what I have seen posted.
For those complaining about lack of broadband, don't blame the NFL. The government has poured billions into expanding broadband with pretty poor results. The NFL, or Netflix, or MLB is under zero obligation to ensure each home is served by an adequate connection to receive their programming.
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Got an answer for this? Or are you planning on backing out of your claim since the NFL will not be an "all streaming service" due to their already signed contracts with broadcasters allowing broadcast of games within each team's home market.
Who is going to stop the NFL from offering Sunday Ticket as stream only?
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I will be surprised if DIRECTV doesn't carry the Red Zone channel offered by nearly every other MVPD with the NFL Network.
And more people have access to broadband than subscribe to DIRECTV satellite.
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Actually no I have no answer. But mark it down it will hurt out of market fans who want to see their favorite teams & an the NFL will get an indication of this starting on Thursday Nights this year when Thursday Night Games move to Amazon. I already know I will miss a game this year of my favorite team because they have a Thursday Night Game & I don’t live in the teams market for local carriage.
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