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Actually no I have no answer. But mark it down it will hurt out of market fans who want to see their favorite teams & an the NFL will get an indication of this starting on Thursday Nights this year when Thursday Night Games move to Amazon. I already know I will miss a game this year of my favorite team because they have a Thursday Night Game & I don’t live in the teams market for local carriage.
You have a choice to see the Thursday games that are out if your area. Subscribe to Amazon Prime. Just like in years past people had a choice. Subscribe to DIRECTV as long as they could get a sat signal.
 

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Actually no I have no answer. But mark it down it will hurt out of market fans who want to see their favorite teams & an the NFL will get an indication of this starting on Thursday Nights this year when Thursday Night Games move to Amazon.
More people will have access to NFL Sunday Ticket via streaming than have access to NFL Sunday Ticket via DIRECTV. The streaming service won't require a subscription to a specific expensive MVPD. Subscribers will be able to stay with DIRECTV, move to another service or (if desired) not subscribe to any MVPD. (I believe most of the estimated 2 million subscribers to Sunday Ticket will maintain an MVPD subscription - even if it isn't with DIRECTV.)

There are expected to be over 122 million subscribers to broadband in the US by the end of 2022. A far bigger pool of potential subscribers to Sunday Ticket than DIRECTV's subscriber count.
 

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The alternative would be the streamer coming up with an interface where one could watch multiple games of their own choice at the same time. I also expect the streamer to be storing a copy of every game live and having every game available (including games aired in a subscribers market) at some point later in the week if not later the same day.

While there is a potential that a streamer will come up with a lousy interface there is also the potential that the interface will be much better than what can be rolled at home using a DVR and channels. The biggest loss will be the DVR ability to keep a game "forever" (as long as the hard drive has free space and survives and one remains a DIRECTV subscriber) instead of only having access to previous games as long as you subscribe to the Sunday Ticket Package.

If there is an NFL Films tie in we could see access to previous years games and highlights that far exceed the product that DIRECTV was able to deliver. Sunday Ticket has the potential to be a better product.
The NFL already offers a package which provides replays of the day’s games and games from prior seasons (NFL Game Pass). Wonder what will happen to that.

Also, ESPN has a decent interface for watching multiple games at once, at least on their Apple TV app.

Given they are considering streaming only, I find it interesting that the NFL is looking for a partner instead of just offering it directly like MLB and NBA do. The NFL already offers live streams to international customers, so why not just allow that domestically with appropriate blackouts like MLB does with Extra Innings?
 

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The NFL is considering launching "NFL Plus" which will be direct to consumer. They may be rolling their current offering into the package with their future streaming partner.

The best part about having a partner is the guaranteed income. For the past few years they have been collecting $1.5 billion dollars regardless of what DIRECTV can make off of the deal. If they can get $2-3 billion dollars per year out of a partner they should be happy. The risk is on the partner (along with operating expenses, production expenses beyond the feeds produced by CBS and Fox, customer service, etc.).
 

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No I don’t have Amazon. I am talking about the Friday Night New York Yankees games that were moved to Amazon this season. I have seen where fans are pissed there because they can’t see Yankee games on YES. You probably get those Friday night games but on the opposition’s RSN. But in New York you have to have Amazon Prime to get those games. Fans have been tweeting they want them put back on YES because many don’t have Amazon Prime Streaming.
IIRC, Amazon bought a big piece of YES a few years ago. The fact is this is all about money...PERIOD! And you can be sure if they get away with 21 games next year it will be higher. Sports fans have been abused for years and as long as they keep paying, they'll continue to be abused. What YOU want and what I want are meaningless if enough people continue to pay.
 

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"Sports fans have been abused for years and as long as they keep paying, they'll continue to be abused. What YOU want and what I want are meaningless if enough people continue to pay." As Grafixguy has said, it's always about the money. Why did the LA schools jump to the B1G; for the $'s. It certainly wasn't about the non-revenue sports. It seems like every new contract package that is negotiated for the Conferences/ Leagues doubles in new money. Good for the powers that be I guess. From what I've read, it seems like the new Sunday Ticket package will be north of 2 Billion $'s, up from DIRECTV's Billion. It's just my money and everyone want's more of it as well (so much for my 3% raise in March). I'll watch my sports as I have for the past 50 years; I just won't cheer as hard as I did in the past. Time for a cannonball at the pool and upset those relaxing pool side!
 

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"Sports fans have been abused for years and as long as they keep paying, they'll continue to be abused. What YOU want and what I want are meaningless if enough people continue to pay." As Grafixguy has said, it's always about the money. Why did the LA schools jump to the B1G; for the $'s. It certainly wasn't about the non-revenue sports. It seems like every new contract package that is negotiated for the Conferences/ Leagues doubles in new money. Good for the powers that be I guess. From what I've read, it seems like the new Sunday Ticket package will be north of 2 Billion $'s, up from DIRECTV's Billion. It's just my money and everyone want's more of it as well (so much for my 3% raise in March). I'll watch my sports as I have for the past 50 years; I just won't cheer as hard as I did in the past. Time for a cannonball at the pool and upset those relaxing pool side!
20 years ago it was DIRECTV's $130 million per year for Sunday Ticket. The last eight years are averaging $1.5 billion per year. The rate DIRECTV paid for Sunday Ticket tripled in 2003 to $400 million then nearly doubled again to $700 million effective in 2006. DIRECTV started paying $1 billion per year with their 2011-2014 contract.

NFL carriage on the broadcast side (CBS,Fox,NBC,ESPN/ABC, Amazon) is around $4.9 billion in 2022 and will jump to $10 billion per year for 2022-2033. That includes simulcast streaming on each network's streaming platform for in market games (Paramount, Tubi, Peacock, ESPN+ respectively). A billion here, a billion there - after a while they are talking real money. IIRC the players are getting 48% of the television revenue.
 

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If NFL picks YouTube TV for streaming, I would expect viewers will be able to DVR any games and keep them for nine months.
Is Google (Youtube TV) even bidding on Sunday Ticket? The main players seem to just be Apple, Disney, and Amazon. I've heard nothing of Google being interested.
 

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Goodell is an idiot. Putting NFL Sunday Ticket on a streaming service will be a disaster. Too many folks who live in rural areas that don’t have reliable high speed internet service are going to be screwed out of seeing NFL Games.
Yeah, like my father-in-law. Still living on a patch of the old dairy farm in Wisconsin where DSL is available for $100/month at a screaming 900kbs on top of the compelled $75/month telephone line.

Then the Starlink box showed up.

Terminated the local CLEC's DSL and DirecTV the day it arrived. They stream everything now and save about $150/month. He'll have plenty of additional dough to pay for NST whoever carries it.
 

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Yeah, like my father-in-law. Still living on a patch of the old dairy farm in Wisconsin where DSL is available for $100/month at a screaming 900kbs on top of the compelled $75/month telephone line.

Then the Starlink box showed up.

Terminated the local CLEC's DSL and DirecTV the day it arrived. They stream everything now and save about $150/month. He'll have plenty of additional dough to pay for NST whoever carries it.
Good for your father-in-law. What the hell is Starlink? Never heard of that service before because there is no such service of that name in my area. As was said earlier different areas have different services. Different services have different speeds and prices. Fact!
 

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Almost 30 years. 1994-2022. Wow time flies.
Exclusive for at least 20 ... probably due to attrition (the other delivery options in 1994 simply going away). The point being that for a long time Sunday Ticket has only been available to 20 million or less people (usually a lot less). In 2023 Sunday Ticket will be available to 122 million people who already subscribe to some form of broadband.
Sounds like a win for the NFL.
 

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Per the CNBC interview, these are the bidders for Sunday Ticket:
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Four out of the five will be carrying games next season on their streaming services as part of the new broadcast contracts signed last year.
 

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Good for your father-in-law. What the hell is Starlink?
Satellite internet. Does Bing and Google not work on your current ISP? :)
 

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Good for your father-in-law. What the hell is Starlink? Never heard of that service before because there is no such service of that name in my area. As was said earlier different areas have different services. Different services have different speeds and prices. Fact!
Instead of looking silly you could have simply tried this: Starlink
 

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As an original BUD owner, it all went downhill when they scrambled channels that had commercials. At the time, we viewed it as owning an antennae and hardware, only channels without commercials should be able to scramble and charge. No different than OTA. We lost that battle. As an early adopter of most tech, I sure do miss BUD. I have been a DTV subscriber since the Sunday Ticket was moved there. Hopefully there will not be the rotating blue circle buffering. I have had issues with ESPN + signing in. Probably drop DTV if ST is gone next year.
 

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Goodell is an idiot. Putting NFL Sunday Ticket on a streaming service will be a disaster. Too many folks who live in rural areas that don’t have reliable high speed internet service are going to be screwed out of seeing NFL Games.
As opposed to all those millions of cable subscribers who couldn't get it because their cable system, well didn't carry it. Or, they didn't have line of sight for a dish, so they had no opportunity to get it if they wanted it. So, it's really the same thing. So many who want it can't get it, just a different group of people. And at least the rural areas may eventually get high speed while you can't do much about line of sight.
 
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