I understand that all hardware is leased but about 2 years ago, I paid $300 for my HR20-700. I just upgraded to an HR22. I'd like to transfer my old HR20-700 to someone else (and hopefully get a few dollars for it). But if I give or sell it to someone, can they activate it?
Can I "sell" an HR20-700?
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No .. "Lease" means that you don't own it, DIRECTV does. The receiver needs to go back to DIRECTV or you may be charged $470 for not returning it.edmartin said:
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2 years ago weren't there both leased and owned? my r15 was listed as owned by D* and 3 seperate CSR's confirmed that for me. so I yanked the drive and threw the rest of the junk.
the r10 bought just before the r15 was also listed as owned and was allowed to be sold.
the r10 bought just before the r15 was also listed as owned and was allowed to be sold.
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Most HR2x receivers are leased .. there are some exceptions but the general rule is that they are leased.
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I guess I would stress checking with a csr before doing anything. then check with 2 more at different times 
And if they say it's owned be sure to document every facet of the call (date, time name of CSR and rep #, the color shoes you were wearing, etc).David MacLeod said:I guess I would stress checking with a csr before doing anything. then check with 2 more at different times
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If that thing is working correctly, I'll give him a hundred bucks for it. If he's got an eBay account, I suppose he could list it for more than the $470 that D* is gonna nail him for. Wonder how much they are going for? Just went to eBay and they are going for at least $200 and they are mostly HR20-700s. Doesn't look like he could get enough to offset the penalty price of the HR.tcusta00 said:
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Those on eBay are likely leases offered by authorized dealers. If not, then they are likely leased units that will be worthless to the buyers. If the seller notes that it is owned and not a lease, D* will likely cancel the auction as they do not allow resale of their D*-branded receivers. They claim it is a violation of software licensing terms. (BTDT).
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Rich, many of those auctions, especially the ones that include a sealed access card, are authorized dealers. They may try not to look that way, but they are. D* is very serious about its policies and they have some very sophisticated automated software (i.e. VeRO) on eBay to prevent unauthorized individuals from selling access cards. I went round and round with their legal department and eBay about this when I tried to sell my owned R15. Oh, and some sellers do get around this with one-day listings as it usually takes VeRO a few days to react.rich584 said:
What do you mean? Are you saying the PP CSR's will activate any receiver, regardless of its previous owned/leased status?
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I'm assuming these things are "owned". One says: brand new refurbished sealed in cellophane or some such thing. But to get back to your question, yes, that is exactly what I was told. I was pretty sure that would be their answer. What do they care where it is from, as soon as you activate it, it becomes "leased" and is owned by them.rudeney said:
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And the seller may be assuming the same thing .. In many (heck, maybe most) cases both you and the eBay seller are wrongrich584 said:
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worse case for ebay is get rid # and call d* to check it.
may get lucky, may not be able to use it.
may get lucky, may not be able to use it.
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"Can I sell an HR20?"
Sure, see below.
1) Make it look like you are selling it , but in fact you are leasing it, right?
2) Put it in very small writing on the box - or better yet, don't put it anywhere at all - that you are in fact leasing it.
3) Don't let the buyer know that when he purchases it, he is comitting to a two year contract. Keep that fact inconspicuous.
4) But once you've got your mark to lease it and enter into a two year committment contract, change the contract so you can now charge your mark more to get the same high definition channels he got when he bought - no scratch "bought" - "leased" it. You do this by just calling his package a different name and then charge for that other name.
5) Once you've done all this - if your buyer has problems with the unit, send him an older refurbished unit as a replacement and start his two year committment all over again. (Oh yeah, if his original had the antenna built in, send him one without the antenna so he'll have to purchase an antenna too to get what he had.)
6) Now you've done it. Feel good?
Sure, see below.
1) Make it look like you are selling it , but in fact you are leasing it, right?
2) Put it in very small writing on the box - or better yet, don't put it anywhere at all - that you are in fact leasing it.
3) Don't let the buyer know that when he purchases it, he is comitting to a two year contract. Keep that fact inconspicuous.
4) But once you've got your mark to lease it and enter into a two year committment contract, change the contract so you can now charge your mark more to get the same high definition channels he got when he bought - no scratch "bought" - "leased" it. You do this by just calling his package a different name and then charge for that other name.
5) Once you've done all this - if your buyer has problems with the unit, send him an older refurbished unit as a replacement and start his two year committment all over again. (Oh yeah, if his original had the antenna built in, send him one without the antenna so he'll have to purchase an antenna too to get what he had.)
6) Now you've done it. Feel good?
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