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Earl Bonovich said:
Given that TiVo is not what 6 years old... it is not 100% (it is a lot closer then the DVR+ line though, I am not saying that)

The HR20, hasn't even been out 3 months yet...
I don't know Earl - I think it is a fair question since at least when the HR10-250 shipped its basic functionality (you know, reliably recording HD content and playing it back) worked....

The HR20, as you point out, has been out 3 months and still can't get that right.

Heck, when the SD DTV Tivo shipped dual tuners didn't work, but basic functionality did!

This box could be so much more than the HR10-250 but until they get the basics working, I wouldn't compare it to a Tivo.

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RunnerFL said:
Take into consideration that the HR10-250 was SEVERAL versions after the first DirecTivo box. TiVo and D* had plenty of time to get the box right, years in fact, before release. D* only had one model's [R15] of research to go on prior to the HR20.

I don't think comparing the HR10-250's first day of release to the HR20's first day of release is even fair.
You are right, it is not fair to compare them - Because even the Tivo Phillips DVR7000 had all of its basic functionality working on the day it shipped into stores, unlike the HR20.

The DVR7000 was missing an enhanced feature, dual tuners, that worked correctly as soon as it was turned on.

It boggles my mind that people are willing to give a pass to something that is unreliable when compared to the product that it replaces. I feel for the people that traded in their HR10-250s and can't trust the replacement.

This "Give DTV a chance" mentality or the "they are trying hard" mentality puts no pressure on them to get the job done right.

Yeah - It's not fair to compare - One worked reliably from day one, the other (although sexier and faster) does not....
 

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RunnerFL said:
You're not getting the point at all... Slow down and read for a moment instead of jumping to conclusions...
I get the point just fine - You are a fanboy happy with a unreliable product.

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The HR10-250 was NOT the first TiVo on the market, not by a long shot.

The HR20-700 is the SECOND DVR for D*.

D* hasn't had near the time making DVR's that TiVo had before putting out their first HD DVR.
Ok - So because DTV has only shipped two PVR's (The same number of D* PVR's that Tivo has shipped,) we should forgive them for that the HR20 doesnt have reliable basic functionality?

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I am in NO WAY giving ANYONE a "pass". It boggles my mind how you think I said that in my post.
So you are not giving them a pass, we are just to understand that it is ok to ship an unreliable product in the market because they are the new kids on the block!

If I am missing something, please enlighten me...

You're comparing Apples to Kiwi and it's not a fair comparison at all.
So if I start a new car company and I release a car that is unreliable I should expect my customers to be happy because I am trying hard to compete with the experts?

RunnerFL said:
If you don't like the HR20 then give yours back to D* and get another HR10 on ebay, just don't come here and flame the HR20 or those of us who like the unit.
I tried to return mine for a refund twice, but they wouldn't do it. If someone would buy it I would sell it tomorrow.

The reason I started posting here was not to bait fanboys like you, but because I believe that the HR20 can be superior in Tivo in every way.

The reason I started posting was that I worry that since D* actually reads this board, and posters like you give the people screwing up gold stars, D* might start thinking the HR20 in its current condition doesn't stink.

Dave
 
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