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Here is a good story. How does this compare to some of the ridiculous things you've heard from technicians?

First the background. I've been getting intermittant 771 errors on HD channels that I knew came from the 103 satellite. This has been going on since the satellite became active. I had my 5 LNB dish installed about a month before the satellite went live.

I called DirecTV about 3 weeks ago and in speaking with their technical service, it sounded like I either had a bad LNB or a bad multiswitch. They set up a service appointment and today was the first day available.

The technician showed up. I told him the story of what's been happening. He first proceeded to tell me what idiots the DirecTV people are and that they never know what they are talking about. Of course, I wasn't getting any 771 errors while he was here so he said there was nothing he could do. He did leave me a new LNB that he said I could replace if I started seeing it happening again. I showed him my signal strength from 103(c). Most of them were in the 50's and 60's with a couple in the 30's. I knew this was the problem. Here is where it gets good.

He told me that the HD channels came from 103(b) and that my reciever, HR20, couldn't read the signal strength of those channels and that it didn't matter what my 103(c) signals were since that's not where I'm getting my HD from. I tried to tell him that 103(a) and 103(b) have been renamed to 103(s) and 103(c) respectively and he told me that was false and that there were actually four of them, 103(a), 103(b), 103(c), and 103(s) but only the new recievers, HR22, could read the signal strength of all 4.

I asked him about the low reading on a couple of the transponders. He told me that didn't matter because I had some high readings on other transponders and if the receiver couldn't get a signal off of one transponder it would just pull it off of another. He claimed that as long as I had a high signal on one even transponder and one odd transponder that I should be fine.

He also told me that ALL HD came from the 103(b) satellite. It didn't matter whether it was MPEG2 or MPEG4, it was ALL coming from 103(b).

I did some more troubleshooting myself later in the day and found that my multiswitch was the Zinwell 6802 which isn't fully compatible with the new Ka signals and needs to be replaced with a Zinwell WB68. The tech who installed my dish a year ago should have installed a new multiswitch. I called Directv back to get a replacement multiswitch but apparently they can't send those out and scheduled another technician visit for July 18.

If the tech would have looked at the multiswitch, he should have known it was not compatible and just replaced it and everything would have been fine. I decided just to buy one on Ebay for $20. What a pain!

Jamie
 

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jbuch said:
I forgot that he also told me that Directv will never have a single wire setup for DVR's.
Well i would say he's dumb. As i run the SWMline perfectly right now. As far as the multi-switch goes. I would make a stink with D* and get a supervisor to come out, and get a refund for the one you bought. Also the HR22 isn't even reality. There is no such thing. HR21 and often rumerd and HR23. The R22 is a standard def DVR+. thats all for me. have a great day. :D
 

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He told me that the HD channels came from 103(b) and that my reciever, HR20, couldn't read the signal strength of those channels and that it didn't matter what my 103(c) signals were since that's not where I'm getting my HD from. I tried to tell him that 103(a) and 103(b) have been renamed to 103(s) and 103(c) respectively and he told me that was false and that there were actually four of them, 103(a), 103(b), 103(c), and 103(s) but only the new recievers, HR22, could read the signal strength of all 4.

I asked him about the low reading on a couple of the transponders. He told me that didn't matter because I had some high readings on other transponders and if the receiver couldn't get a signal off of one transponder it would just pull it off of another. He claimed that as long as I had a high signal on one even transponder and one odd transponder that I should be fine.

He also told me that ALL HD came from the 103(b) satellite. It didn't matter whether it was MPEG2 or MPEG4, it was ALL coming from 103(b).
I count you as lucky that this moron didn't actually touch anything.
 

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MIAMI1683 said:
Well i would say he's dumb. As i run the SWMline perfectly right now. As far as the multi-switch goes. I would make a stink with D* and get a supervisor to come out, and get a refund for the one you bought. Also the HR22 isn't even reality. There is no such thing. HR21 and often rumerd and HR23. The R22 is a standard def DVR+. thats all for me. have a great day. :D
I called them and they did offer to give me a credit of $10 per month for the next 6 months. The technician has been reported.
 

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Oh, that is a shame. Of course, there are always going to be uninformed people in every profession.
 

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Don't denigrate. Probably a case of the clueless training the clueless. The contractor that sent this tech to a customer's premise by himself should be fired.

Have to give him a check mark for putting out the bull as he went alone. Slipping and sliding through life.
 

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Technician either new doesnt know **** or maybe experienced and plays dumb to avoid work. The part I didnt get was the LNB. He had no right to leave an lnb and instruct the customer to replace it. He had to replace it himself. Unless you asked him for it yourself.
Dish needs to be realigned that seems to be the problem. Multiswitch is ok considering that you can see signal from 103.
 

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I just had a simular experience. Had my service installed in an apartment on 6/17 with a SWM. I checked the signal on 103c and it was between 0 and 20 on all transponders. The tech said don't worry about it there is nothing on 103c. I let him go as obviously he was clueless. It is still not working and they keep sending the same guy back out. Last update is the dish is bad and they will replace it today. How do they know the dish is bad when they have never been on the roof to check or try to re-adjust.

By the way my signal on 103s tp 15 for my locals is in the 40's, 101 is mid to high 70's. I totally believe it just needs to be fined tuned.
 

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By the way my signal on 103s tp 15 for my locals is in the 40's, 101 is mid to high 70's. I totally believe it just needs to be fined tuned.
Fine tuned?! Why don't you start with course tuned first. As bad as it gets.:eek2:
 

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Fine tuned?! Why don't you start with course tuned first. As bad as it gets.:eek2:
You need to have them start from the beginning, if the guy can't get 101 peaked correctly on finding the signal, finding the tilt and elevation into the mid to high 90s if not 100 than he's a moron. Once you get that done you'll be pretty close already on 99 and 103. I set mine and I don't even have a signal meter, just did it by listening and looking at the signal meter on the TV.
 

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Fine tuned?! Why don't you start with course tuned first. As bad as it gets.:eek2:
Totally agree. But they have been only looking at the amplifiers and SWMS in the local closet. I told the supervisor at the comapny yesterday any idiot could see it is a dish issue.
 

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You need to have them start from the beginning, if the guy can't get 101 peaked correctly on finding the signal, finding the tilt and elevation into the mid to high 90s if not 100 than he's a moron. Once you get that done you'll be pretty close already on 99 and 103. I set mine and I don't even have a signal meter, just did it by listening and looking at the signal meter on the TV.
Agreed!!! What is strange is this is on a building with 20 apartments sharing the dish. I got to believe I am not the only one with a problem.

There is one guy here who has his own dish mounted on his balcony.

Hmmm I wonder why ;)
 

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Agreed!!! What is strange is this is on a building with 20 apartments sharing the dish. I got to believe I am not the only one with a problem.

There is one guy here who has his own dish mounted on his balcony.

Hmmm I wonder why ;)
You might be looking at your future. Nothing works like DYI. Hope you have LOS.

But then again, since you have some experience with D*, it's your chance to be a hero and meet all the neighbors.
 

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You might be looking at your future. Nothing works like DYI. Hope you have LOS.

But then again, since you have some experience with D*, it's your chance to be a hero and meet all the neighbors.
I would but I have no LOS and am only in an apartment for 2 months. I will be doing my own install at my new house.

They called and said they re-aligned the dish and claim I have 80-90's on all TP's on 103c. I will have to confirm when I get home.
 

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Agreed!!! What is strange is this is on a building with 20 apartments sharing the dish. I got to believe I am not the only one with a problem.

There is one guy here who has his own dish mounted on his balcony.

Hmmm I wonder why ;)
There has to be more dishes, more multiswitches or more story.

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That story is sadly familiar to mine....I was getting numerous 771's and IKD recordings on 103c. I placed a service call to D* and they sent out a "tech". He promptly tells me that here in Oregon they don't use 5 LNB dishes, those are only used in California. He proceeds to check the dish, and finds that it does need to be re-aligned, because when they upgraded it to a slimline back in October, they used the original mast and the location didn't allow for verticle supports. He runs a 3 LNB setup, and tells me that the HD signals will take up to 3 hours to "come in". I told him that I know that 5 LNB dishes are used nationwide, and that is where most mpeg4 HD content is. He then re-ran the 5 LNB setup, tried to tweak the dish and while he was able to get high 90's on the 101, 103 still had 771's on 1 tuner. He then said that the cable connecting my hr20 was not suffcient for HD (it was rg6). He basically said there was nothing he could do.

I called D* and another tech was scheduled out for Saturday AM. John from D* shows up and asks whats going on. I tell him everything that I am experiencing and he runs through the test channels to rule out cable issues and BBC problems. He asks to see the multiswitch. We walk into the closet, and he spots a power cord. He said right away that I don't have a proper mutliswitch. When they installed the slimline in October, they didn't replace my 4x8 switch. He changed that. He also ran 2 feeds to an interior wall, ran some phone cable, cleaned up numerous cable clutter issues, setup an hr21 and programmed the remote with several devices. Re-mounted the dish and peaked it. And he hauled out 7 old DTV boxes that had been cluttering my closet for 8 years.

Just goes to show that sometimes you get the all-star. Thanks John
 
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