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Mr. FixAnything
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gct said:
The Symptoms:
On 1/5/12, tomspeer46 posted that his HD LILs were supposed to be on TPN 6 - but that TPN showed a signal strength of zero. Something is really wrong here! That triggered a whole lot of head scratching, homework and investigation. All by folks much smarter than I.

The Discovery:
We have had errors of TPN assignments for Spaceway-1 LIL channels for some period of months now. This problem affected SW-1 only. Those errors are corrected in today's 1/18/12 TPN Map update.

I'm working to assemble a logical, readable post of what is changing technically.

An Important Plea:
It was the tomspeer46 post that brought this inconsistency to the surface and triggered the research. We very much need that kind of monitoring and feedback to keep this data accurate and valuable. There are constant changes continually impacting us. Please take the time to validate the data that applies to you and then share any problems that you discover.
There is some thought http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2944140#post2944140
 

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Discussion Starter · #22 ·
These are the markets impacted with changes in the Spaceway TPNs carrying their HD locals.

NET|MKT|2012 DMA|ACTIVATED|DMA NAME
514|3|58|2008/01/03|Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY
528|17|141|2009/04/08|Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX
539|28|95|2008/09/24|Burlington, VT-Plattsburgh, NY
558|47|127|2010/10/27|Columbus, GA-Opelika-Auburn, AL
572|61|146|2010/10/27|Erie, PA
584|73|163|2010/09/15|Gainesville, FL
591|80|99|2009/01/07|Greenville-New Bern-Washington, NC
606|95|176|2011/09/14|Jackson, TN
620|109|64|2009/09/02|Lexington, KY
642|131|119|2010/10/27|Montgomery-Selma, AL
673|162|134|2008/11/19|Rockford, IL
692|181|200|2011/09/14|St. Joseph, MO
715|204|142|2010/10/27|Wichita Falls, TX-Lawton, OK

If these are your home Networks/DMAs, please do a sanity check comparing the TPN data and your signal strength display. There should be a valid correlation of very high signal strength on these TPNs.

If you find a problem, PLEASE speak up!

Thanks!
 

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Well, on second thought ... perhaps I should take back my suggestion about D12 as a source of the 19.85[0670] GHz twelve transponders, because of its 'uneven' IF = 1,800,670; all D12 IFs has last three KHz numbers as 000, like tp8 1,840,000.
 

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Discussion Starter · #26 ·
Alerts Removed For:
NET 536|Market 25|Boston, MA|WHDH|Chl 7
NET 536|Market 25|Boston, MA|WLVI|Chl 56
NET 634|Market 123|Miami, FL|WSVN|Chl 7

Channels Changed From *TEST to Active:
NET 579|Market 68|Florence-Myrtle Beach, SC|WBTW|Chl 14 MNT network
NET 662|Market 151|Portland, ME|WPME|Chl 35
NET 664|Market 153|Providence, RI|WSBE|Chl 36
NET717|Market 206|Wilkes Barre - Scranton, PA|WSWB|Chl 38

New *TEST Channels:
NET 627|Market 116|Macon, GA|*WPGA|Chl 58
NET 695|Market 184|Tallahassee, FL|*WTLF|Chl 24
 

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gct said:
New *TEST Channels:
NET 627|Market 116|Macon, GA|*WPGA|Chl 58
NET 695|Market 184|Tallahassee, FL|*WTLF|Chl 24
That is SO weird...

It's not unusual for WPGA (an SD channel) to show up since Macon, GA is an MPEG4 only market, but...

To my knowledge, WTLF is SD only as well, and already offered in SD on DirecTV 7s.

Perhaps DirecTV is duplicating WTLF on SW1 so they can use the 3 LNB dish instead of the 5 LNB dish in Tallahassee and still allow their subscribers access to all the locals. :confused:

~Alan
 

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Alan Gordon said:
That is SO weird...

It's not unusual for WPGA (an SD channel) to show up since Macon, GA is an MPEG4 only market, but...

To my knowledge, WTLF is SD only as well, and already offered in SD on DirecTV 7s.

Perhaps DirecTV is duplicating WTLF on SW1 so they can use the 3 LNB dish instead of the 5 LNB dish in Tallahassee and still allow their subscribers access to all the locals. :confused:

~Alan
Unless WTLF has got an HD cable only feed their supplying to DIRECTV or something.

Other than that, you're right it doesn't really make sense outside of a plan to move WTLF off SD MPEG-2/Ku-band on 119W to SD MPEG-4/Ka-band on 103W for some reason.
 

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HoTat2 said:
Unless WTLF has got an HD cable only feed their supplying to DIRECTV or something.
Last I heard, The CW is not providing HD yet for CW Plus stations, so unless things have changed, it won't be HD.

HoTat2 said:
Other than that, you're right it doesn't really make sense outside of a plan to move WTLF off SD MPEG-2/Ku-band on 119W to SD MPEG-4/Ka-band on 103W for some reason.
I've corresponded, and if memory serves, spoke on the phone with one of the engineers for WTLF, so I may e-mail him and ask him about it.

~Alan
 

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Discussion Starter · #31 ·
nusatman said:
This is just an update for the OTA section for Rochester, NY #672 - for WROC there is now an 8.2 sub-channel - Bounce TV - not sure if I should report that here, or elsewhere...
nusatman,

There is an entire thread dedicated to OTA discussion. In particular, this post, within that thread http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2953492#post2953492

will (unhappily) answer all your questions....
 

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Discussion Starter · #35 ·
The TPN Map Excel has been updated and now reflects data of 2/16/12.

The LIL Market List tab has been updated to reflect the recent announcement of the 2012 Launch of HD Locals for 17 new DMAs.
 

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Great News: TWO NEW HD LIL MKTs are Now in TEST:

NET 560, Vernon, AL; Columbus-Tupelo-West Point, MS has HD LIL's in TEST.
DMA is currently SD Only!
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY
560|*WCBI|4|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*CW|5|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*WTVA|9|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*WLOV|27|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*WKDH|43|3|SW2 @99W|99S

NET 718, Wilmington, NC has HD LIL's in TEST.
DMA is currently SD Only!
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY
718|*WWAY|3|4|SW2 @99W|99S
718|*WECT|6|4|SW2 @99W|99S
718|*WILM|10|4|SW2 @99W|99S
718|*WSFX|26|4|SW2 @99W|99S

One other NEW *TEST HD LIL Channel:
NET 552, Cincinnati, OH
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY
552|*WSTR|64|21|D11 @99W|99S

Four *TEST channels have become ACTIVE HD LIL Channels:
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY|DMA
593|WXVT|15|1|SW2 @99W|99S|Greenwood-Greenville, MS
610|KFJX|14|18|D11 @99W|99S|Joplin, MO
610|KOAM|7|18|D11 @99W|99S|Joplin, MO
627|WPGA|58|6|SW2 @99W|99S|Macon, GA
 

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Discussion Starter · #37 ·
Historically, the D5 sat has carried 13 CONUS channels and about 26 LIL channels.

But a significant change came about last week. And this week, D5 shows up carrying only 26 "Addressable Advertisement Push" channels. The channels all show up in the LIL data section, assigned to Network 624 (Los Angeles).

Get prepared. You can expect that you will soon have customized, DMA-specific advertising jammed down your throat. Ultimately, based on the customer demographics they have (or will have) those advertisements may become very very specifically targeted.
 

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I am guessing that PBS HD will be a mirror feed (virtual) of WMAV from the Memphis market. Also, why is WKDH on 43 and not 45? Not a big deal, I am just ready for the channels to be in HD on the bird. I have survived with OTA.

gct said:
Great News: TWO NEW HD LIL MKTs are Now in TEST:

NET 560, Vernon, AL; Columbus-Tupelo-West Point, MS has HD LIL's in TEST.
DMA is currently SD Only!
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY
560|*WCBI|4|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*CW|5|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*WTVA|9|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*WLOV|27|3|SW2 @99W|99S
560|*WKDH|43|3|SW2 @99W|99S

NET 718, Wilmington, NC has HD LIL's in TEST.
DMA is currently SD Only!
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY
718|*WWAY|3|4|SW2 @99W|99S
718|*WECT|6|4|SW2 @99W|99S
718|*WILM|10|4|SW2 @99W|99S
718|*WSFX|26|4|SW2 @99W|99S

One other NEW *TEST HD LIL Channel:
NET 552, Cincinnatti, OH
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY
552|*WSTR|64|21|D11 @99W|99S

Four *TEST channels have become ACTIVE HD LIL Channels:
NET|STATION|CHL|TPN|SATELLITE|DISPLAY|DMA
593|WXVT|15|1|SW2 @99W|99S|Greenwood-Greenville, MS
610|KFJX|14|18|D11 @99W|99S|Joplin, MO
610|KOAM|7|18|D11 @99W|99S|Joplin, MO
627|WPGA|58|6|SW2 @99W|99S|Macon, GA
 

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mcrutland said:
I am guessing that PBS HD will be a mirror feed (virtual) of WMAV from the Memphis market. Also, why is WKDH on 43 and not 45? Not a big deal, I am just ready for the channels to be in HD on the bird. I have survived with OTA.
I notice that they have CW as channel 5, does WCBI provide a HD feed of the CW for cable? I know on OTA it is 4.3 and in SD only.
 
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