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The difference in channel count is now so small that it can no longer be considered a stomp.
 

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Sixto said:
It just might return on Thursday! :)
Yeah, I figure they'll add 20 channels on Thursday (The 12 full time RSNs + the 4 "announced" nationals+ 4 PPVs) to beat E* by 1, then in their note again add that E* counts part time channels and, now, VOD. I'm surprised that D* actually acknowledged E* current "superiority" by taking the comparison down.
 

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jdspencer said:
I couldn't care less which company is leading. I have too much invested in equipment to worry about the small stuff. :)
I mostly agree. Unless one provider has one of your "must have" channels and the other doesn't, it's pointless to switch based on channel count.
 

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QuickDrop said:
Yeah, I figure they'll add 20 channels on Thursday (The 12 full time RSNs + the 4 "announced" nationals+ 4 PPVs) to beat E* by 1, then in their note again add that E* counts part time channels and, now, VOD. I'm surprised that D* actually acknowledged E* current "superiority" by taking the comparison down.
More than 20. DirecTV said last week that the the HD total will be at least 130 on Thursday which is an addition of at least 35 over their current count of 95 HD channels.
 

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QuickDrop said:
Yeah, I figure they'll add 20 channels on Thursday (The 12 full time RSNs + the 4 "announced" nationals+ 4 PPVs) to beat E* by 1, then in their note again add that E* counts part time channels and, now, VOD. I'm surprised that D* actually acknowledged E* current "superiority" by taking the comparison down.
Actually, if Direct counted channels the same way Dish did by including part time RSNs and VODs, then Direct could still claim to be stomping them. Or if Dish counted the same way Direct does by not counting part time RSNS and VOD, then Direct would still be stomping them as we speak. Which is why I mentioned how ridiculous this channel counting has become.
 

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QuickDrop said:
I mostly agree. Unless one provider has one of your "must have" channels and the other doesn't, it's pointless to switch based on channel count.
If there is a must have channel not offered by one company then eventually they will get it. :)
 

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Remember guys... competition is good for the consumer... i hope E* and D* keep fighting it out... because in the long run the winner is not the companies... but us the viewer.. more choices, more channels and competitive prices.
 

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cartrivision said:
More than 20. DirecTV said last week that the the HD total will be at least 130 on Thursday which is an addition of at least 35 over their current count of 95 HD channels.
You're most likely right. The inconsistent way things have been phrased has me somewhat confused on whether there will be 35 new channels on Thursday or the start of adding 35 new channels. For me, if they were gonna go back to the direct comparison route with E* on Thursday, I think they would be better off at 115 vs 114 than 130 vs 114 if 19 of those new channels are (temp) PPVs.

DodgerKing said:
Actually, if Direct counted channels the same way Dish did by including part time RSNs and VODs, then Direct could still claim to be stomping them. Or if Dish counted the same way Direct does by not counting part time RSNS and VOD, then Direct would still be stomping them as we speak. Which is why I mentioned how ridiculous this channel counting has become.
I've never done a direct count, but from everything I read both here and the E* forums, Dish's count is way off. Unfortunately for D*'s marketing purposes, it difficult to compare exact numbers (such as 95 channels to 114 as opposed to cable's magical "thousands"), since it would take a ton of footnotes to explain why E* still has less "real" HD channels than D*. I just hope the competition between D* and E* doesn't lead DirecTV to decide they can get away with less HD channels simply by "cooking the books" the way other television providers do.

I agree with you about channel counting. If people switch providers based on HD content, it should be because that provider has the channels they want in HD not because of a total number. Of course, because of the number count promotions, most cable subscribers probably believe both D* and E* have Comedy Central in HD.
 

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DirecTV states:
Beginning August 14, DIRECTV will launch more than 30 additional HD channels, bringing the total HD channel lineup to 130.
That in no way states that they will be at 130 HD channels on August 14th. They will begin to expand towards 130 channels. Sorry to deflate everyone's Thursday hopes.
 

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Comments from Chase Carey at the 8.7.08 2nd Quarter Results Teleconference:

Carey concluded, "As we head into the second half of 2008, we are poised to extend our video leadership position as we significantly expand our industry-leading HD lineup with the launch next week of more than 30 new channels, bringing our total HD offering to 130 channels."
Unless he misspoke last week, he expects to have 130 HD channels active THIS week.

Source: http://investor.directv.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=326924
 

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Drew2k said:
Comments from Chase Carey at the 8.7.08 2nd Quarter Results Teleconference:
Carey concluded, "As we head into the second half of 2008, we are poised to extend our video leadership position as we significantly expand our industry-leading HD lineup with the launch next week of more than 30 new channels, bringing our total HD offering to 130 channels."
Unless he misspoke last week, he expects to have 130 HD channels active THIS week.

Source: http://investor.directv.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=326924
Well, that certainly is great news....but not so if those "30 HD channels" are all PPV HD fluff, as recently pointed out by P Smith and commented by Satelliteracer (who simply said it's easy to pull down a PPV and put up a national later). Now, I want to be wrong...but I also wouldn't be surprised if that's how they got to 130 Thursday.

P Smith's parsing of the data provided by Sixto shows 12 PPV's. Ouch.
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1730497&postcount=134
 

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QuickDrop said:
I've never done a direct count, but from everything I read both here and the E* forums, Dish's count is way off. Unfortunately for D*'s marketing purposes, it difficult to compare exact numbers (such as 95 channels to 114 as opposed to cable's magical "thousands"), since it would take a ton of footnotes to explain why E* still has less "real" HD channels than D*. I just hope the competition between D* and E* doesn't lead DirecTV to decide they can get away with less HD channels simply by "cooking the books" the way other television providers do.

I agree with you about channel counting. If people switch providers based on HD content, it should be because that provider has the channels they want in HD not because of a total number. Of course, because of the number count promotions, most cable subscribers probably believe both D* and E* have Comedy Central in HD.
Here is a great spreadsheet comparing Directv and Dish HD channels.
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=135594&highlight=comparison

This shows they are neck and neck with non PPV and sports packages HD channels.
 

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DodgerKing said:
Which is why I mentioned how ridiculous this channel counting has become.
Does ridiculous counting include counting channels with no HD sourced content? It seems like a part-time HD channel is orders of magnitude better than a channel with no HD.

Maybe we can commence a grass-roots campaign to define what constitutes an "HD channel" or maybe we can sit back and let the marketroids continue to pummel the truth.
 

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It's not DirecTV's fault that MTV/VH1 et al have no HD content. They were most likely told by Viacom that they had some HD channels, D* gave them the bandwidth and channel space, and now VIACOM is not providing the HD content. It's VIACOM that labels these channels as HD -- not only to us, but to DirecTV.

The channel IS in HD (1080i/720p)...even if the content on the channel isn't.
 
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