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RMSko said:
Now that the HR34 has been released, if using RVU I assume you need to connect it directly to the TV. What about if you want to use a sound system with an RVU capable TV. Is there a way to currently do that and still use the HR34?
The TV could have a digital audio output.
 

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Stuart Sweet said:
The Samsung RVU TV is available now but as for the standalone boxes... it will be a while yet. It's way too soon to say "soon."
Just curious... it the RVU standard a work-in-progress? And is the HR34 availability an answer to a "chicken and egg" problem?

I ask because it would seem the release of the HR34 is premature. From DirecTV's standpoint it is great with RVU... install a SWiM LNB, one HR34 and a bunch of RVU clients and a customer is set, and the monthy charge is the same as a houseful of DVRs and receivers.

But, as it stands, many ordering the HR34 are requiring significant infrastructure upgrades... SL3/SL5 LNBs, SWiM-16s, etc., with significant installation cost to DirecTV. And the telling thing is the HR34 is in abundant supply.

So, is today just a stopover in a massive paradigm shift?
 

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Just curious... it the RVU standard a work-in-progress? And is the HR34 availability an answer to a "chicken and egg" problem?

I ask because it would seem the release of the HR34 is premature. From DirecTV's standpoint it is great with RVU... install a SWiM LNB, one HR34 and a bunch of RVU clients and a customer is set, and the monthy charge is the same as a houseful of DVRs and receivers.

But, as it stands, many ordering the HR34 are requiring significant infrastructure upgrades... SL3/SL5 LNBs, SWiM-16s, etc., with significant installation cost to DirecTV. And the telling thing is the HR34 is in abundant supply.

So, is today just a stopover in a massive paradigm shift?
Only to existing customers which in reality this system was not designed specifically for. When setup from scratch and RVU clients are available it will be cheaper overall for SAC purposes once the initial R&D costs are covered.
 

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Only to existing customers which in reality this system was not designed specifically for. When setup from scratch and RVU clients are available it will be cheaper overall for SAC purposes once the initial R&D costs are covered.
That's what I was saying... why was the HR34 even released without RVU client availability? :confused:
 

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Because it's still a great 5-tuner DVR.
 

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Because it's still a great 5-tuner DVR.
Absolutely! A marvelous piece of technology.

But current upgrades that will exceed 8 tuners force replacing LNB, running 4-coaxes (and associated grounding) and SWiM-16. That's a lot of installation cost and complexity.

(In my case, the infrastructure was already there, so it was plug and play :))

I think what I'm saying is, rather than (maybe) giving discounts to existing customers or having one install fee for <= and > 8 tuners, if I were DirecTV I would make an existing customer pay for that extra infrastructure that will eventually be unnecessary (in many cases).

p.s. But now that I think of it, the current feeding frenzy may only be in our little world, and be insignificant in the larger DirecTV picture.
 

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Part of the reason for an HR34 release now rather than later when a C30 might be available is probably for competitive reasons. AT&T U-Verse DVRs have ability to record 4 simultaneous shows.

I'll be waiting for a C30 before making the big switch over myself, but everyone's needs are different.
 

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dwcolvin said:
The TV could have a digital audio output.
There are probably more TVs that don't forward surround sound than those that do so that's probably not a viable option.
 

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There are probably more TVs that don't forward surround sound than those that do so that's probably not a viable option.
Even my cheapest TV with an HDMI in has a digital audio out (if for no other reason than to feed audio from broadcast/cable somewhere)
 

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Understood... but many TVs don't pass Dolby Digital over their optical outs. I know my 2011 Samsung doesn't. I don't even know if it passes it over HDMI/ARC (because my audio receiver is too old)
 

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dwcolvin said:
Even my cheapest TV with an HDMI in has a digital audio out (if for no other reason than to feed audio from broadcast/cable somewhere)
While almost all do have a digital audio out, most will not ouput dolby digital surround sound for anything other than their internal ATSC/cable tuner. So if you run an HDMI cable from your DirecTV receiver to the TV, and then an optical cable from the TV to your surround sound system, you most likely will only get 2.0 stereo sound.

Some TVs are actually able to take the dolby digital stream from the HDMI input and output it over the optical out, but most TVs aren't able to.
 

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From my memory, ALL TVs with a digital optical output will only output 5.1 sound from the internal tuner. Anything coming in from a TV input will be down-converted to 2 channel stereo over the optical out. It was something the TV manufacturers agreed to in order to fend off a lawsuit from content providers, and get Dolby Digital certification.

The only way to get Dolby Digital is through an HDMI audio return channel, as there are HDCP copy protection protocols for HDMI.

It's kind of the audio equivalent to DRM downrezzing over component cables from Blu-ray players.
 

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From my memory, ALL TVs with a digital optical output will only output 5.1 sound from the internal tuner. Anything coming in from a TV input will be down-converted to 2 channel stereo over the optical out. It was something the TV manufacturers agreed to in order to fend off a lawsuit from content providers, and get Dolby Digital certification.

The only way to get Dolby Digital is through an HDMI audio return channel, as there are HDCP copy protection protocols for HDMI.

It's kind of the audio equivalent to DRM downrezzing over component cables from Blu-ray players.
My Sony XBR1 would pass 5.1 sound from the firewire input to the digital optical out.
 

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jasonblair said:
From my memory, ALL TVs with a digital optical output will only output 5.1 sound from the internal tuner. Anything coming in from a TV input will be down-converted to 2 channel stereo over the optical out. It was something the TV manufacturers agreed to in order to fend off a lawsuit from content providers, and get Dolby Digital certification.

The only way to get Dolby Digital is through an HDMI audio return channel, as there are HDCP copy protection protocols for HDMI.

It's kind of the audio equivalent to DRM downrezzing over component cables from Blu-ray players.
My Sony TV takes the audio output from my HR24 via HDMI and then passes out DD from the Sony TV optical out. Tried it tonight to confirm it.
 

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Not having the c31 client is hurting my DirecTV sales. the hop and joe is killing us. the sad part is, DirecTV had their HR34 out first, but no clients. come on guys, get with the program.
at the very least give us a heads up on an expected release date, to give us hope.
 

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My current setup is all equipment (DirecTV box, blu ray player, gaming system) running HDMI to my a/v receiver inputs, then one HDMI output to my TV for the picture (let the receiver do the audio out to 5.1 speakers). That's the same if I were to upgrade to an HR34 right? It would be nice to have a client box for my second tv where you can pause/rewind live tv. That's the only real feature missing with my current WHDVR setup.
 

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Why would you want a C30/31 at $12 monthly fee (and no stand alone tuner), when a H24 can stream and remote record the same way w/ a stand alone tuner at $6/mo. am I missing something?
 

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Why would you want a C30/31 at $12 monthly fee (and no stand alone tuner), when a H24 can stream and remote record the same way w/ a stand alone tuner at $6/mo. am I missing something?
Where are you getting $12/month? Everything I've heard is $6/month for an RVU client, not $12.

Advantages of the C31 would be you have all the same functionality on the C31 that you'd have with a HD DVR. You'd have full trick play, without first having to say to record the program, DoublePlay, Pandora, playlist management, DIRECTV on Demand, smaller footprint, less power usage, doesn't take a SWiM channel and caller ID without a phone line connection are some that come to mind.
 
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