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Do we actually know what resolution Dish or Directv HD are broadcasting at? How about anyone on this forum with software/equipment to test raw signal input or is it so bad it must be kept a secret or just impossible to measure?
I'm not interested in what the receiver sends out because after rescaling to 1080i you still have pixel loss and the softness many see. Its like putting lipstick on a pig. I know whats been posted on WiKi but that's old information.
 
nothing new here, last pulls of MPEG-2/4 info (not yet for UHD) was from transferred files from DVR's HDD to Mobile Go (?)
(posted here, I have no link, sorry)

actually turn Native ON and do obtain the relevant data by your TV diag
 
what is making me mad, is both companies keep the info secure and avoid expose it publicaly :( forcing us using hacker's methods
while in World any DVB-S/S2 receiver show all relevant info for any channel include encrypted if you have subbed card
 
I don't think Dish allows you to tune native on. Directv does have that option though.
Correct ... no "native mode" for DISH receivers. And it should be noted that even DIRECTV receivers do not pass through the exact satellite signal. That would require the AVR/TV to do satellite decompression.
 
OK, let me explain the term "Native on" for all of you: that's mean "pass TS or video/audio PES to target like TV of other processors". E.g. what the STB get from satellite, do transfer it to TV without own processing of essential packets/TS.
 
OK, let me explain the term "Native on" for all of you: that's mean "pass TS or video/audio PES to target like TV of other processors". E.g. what the STB get from satellite, do transfer it to TV without own processing of essential packets/TS.
Are you expecting that ANY satellite receiver would actually do that? Or is DIRECTV's "native" mode simply scaling the output to the closest standard HD that matches the satellite transmission of that channel (720p via satellite is output as 720p, 1080i via satellite is output as 1080i).
 
Are you expecting that ANY satellite receiver would actually do that? Or is DIRECTV's "native" mode simply scaling the output to the closest standard HD that matches the satellite transmission of that channel (720p via satellite is output as 720p, 1080i via satellite is output as 1080i).
My TV info shows what type of signal it is receiving. If I set D* box to send 720p and 1080i, the info button on my tv's remote control will show which signal the tv is receiving. But since I only have the 1080I checked, it shows all signals from all station come in at 1080/60I. If I run it through my aVR which is set to pass 1080P, it will show 1080/60p. If I set avr to send 24 frames, it will show tv receiving 1080/24p. Signals from D* looks great on my 1080P TV.

My Blue ray passes through AVR what blue ray is set to. Blue ray is set to pass BD and DVD's at 1080p/24. That's what my TV shows it's receiving.
 
DISH receiver outputs are 1920x1080i or 1920x1080p (specific VOD content) or 1280x720p for HD output. The decompression/rescaling from whatever is transmitted via satellite is done by the DISH receiver (including outputting 720p channels as 1080i and 1080i channels as 720p - following the one output format chosen by the customer).

What happens after that output is up to the AVR/TV.
It's been argued that D* passes 1920x1080I and that Dish passes 1440x1080I, which is called HD lite. I haven't seen anything on 720P. But 720P is not an issue with me because I set my box to only transmit 1080I. And that's what my tv shows it's receiving from all channels. So the 1440x1080I HD lite is what's keeping me from moving to dish. I don't want to be dissatisfied with Dish and be stuck in a two year contract.
 
All TV's show what the signal is rescaled too, but this doesn't answer what the raw signal being sent is before image gets rescaled by receiver, TV, or video processor to 1080, 720 etc. Example with FireTv I can look at the actual signal being sent before the TV. Its UHD,1080,720 even less 520 all depending on source.
 
It's been argued that D* passes 1920x1080I and that Dish passes 1440x1080I, which is called HD lite.
The historical claim was not what was passed by the box but the resolution sent via satellite. The box output was and is 1920x1080i.

At some point in the chain channels are converted from the format used via satellite to a signal the TV can easily display. That conversion is done at the receiver or client.

It is nice that some services reveal their aspect ratios and data rates on screen in their clients. It is more critical for debugging a streaming service (where the feed could vary customer to customer) than a satellite service (where only one or two feeds are available, SD and HD).
 
Bottom line is in the eye of the beholder. We had the Hopper since day one until about 6 months ago when we switched to "D". Sitting 18 feet from a Sony 75X850C my wife and I immediately noticed a PQ improvement with "D". Even after 6 months we will both sometimes mention the PQ difference.
 
Bottom line is in the eye of the beholder. We had the Hopper since day one until about 6 months ago when we switched to "D". Sitting 18 feet from a Sony 75X850C my wife and I immediately noticed a PQ improvement with "D". Even after 6 months we will both sometimes mention the PQ difference.
This is what a lot of people who have had dish, uverse, or cable, have said. Direct tV has a much better PQ. I think D* has a very good PQ. Whether it's the satellite or the receiver providing the resolution is of no consequence. The issue for me is the PQ that is being sent to my TV from the provider.

I use my smart tv to view Netflix. Sometimes you can see in the stats, via the info key on my remote control, how it goes in steps from a poor resolution to 1080. Whether it's my internet, my tv, or Netflix doing it, I don't know. The Pq from Netflix when it settles, in my opinion, is excellent. Amazon prime, on the other hand, does not offer as much HD as Netflix. They provide a lot of SD 4x3 material. I don't watch SD. I'm curretnly testing HULU free for 30 days, and they also have a very good PQ. I have to see how good their content is.
 
I had both and matching side by side 4K Sony TV's. At times with different channels like Smithsonian on Directv, it was ultra sharp almost 4K looking but on Dish it was just so so.

Now HBO I found both very close even after freezing channels to look for subtle differences it was close. I really have my doubts longer distances say 15' anyone can actually pick out PQ difference. Inside of 8' absolutely you can but much further out it would be real tough. Where I saw the biggest difference was on football broadcast but when you have different network sources its not the greatest comparison.
 
Ever hear of the "garbage in garbage out" rule? If the content or signal is low quality upscaling would be like putting a silk hat on a pig. I get my internet through Spectrum and seen their HD display in their office where I pay my bill. It's not as good as DIRECTV's.
spectrums HD stuff isn't even true HD. there DVR service sucks no whole home and i got a dual tuner unity no 21 first century equipment. i have a 4k tv and 1080I looks god awful on it. i have a low signal it's in the 60's not good my phone would drop out cable modem would reboot lots of pixelation and macro blocks during sports and fast action scenes DVR would loose my scheduled recordings:eek:. i got out before the promo was over. had a fight with a rep about a cable card she said i could not have one because i was not a granfarthered in TWC customer. i filed an fcc complaint and that woke em up
 
I'm on Direct TV and I'm thinking of switching to dish to get the new customer discounts. But I hesitate to do so because Dish is HD Lite, lower quality HD than Direct TV. At least that's what everyone says. Dish is 1440 x 1080I where Direct is 1960 x 1080I. My TV and my AVR upscale to 1080P. When I upscale with AVR, my TV already gets an upscaled picture. I might go with Spectrum cable because they do not have a contract, although they do have a set up fee. But $100.00 for TV, 100 bps internet, and phone which I won't use, is quite tempting. Right now I pay $158.00, taxes included for the lowest plan on D* and 18 bps on Uverse internet. I'm going to check out streaming tv for quality.

I don't know what Spectrums HD resolution is. I know they are low quality HD, even if they say crisp HD in their commercials, I wonder if I could upscale Dish or Spectrum to a higher HD using my AVR. My aVR has upscaling capabilities. Any Ideas anyone?
now that i think about it i would run like hell from spectrum i would run like my hair was on fire!!!
 
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