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We had verizon fios here but they sold the business to Frontier. Frontier wants to get out of the TV business and no longer offers it to new subscribers and instead refers them all to Direct TV. As soon as their contracts are up with the individual counties they are dropping the service and going with internet only.

Apparently Fios tv here just isn't profitable. I was looking at their double play bundle and their TV service was even cheaper than Dish, and Dish is pretty cheap compared to anyone else. I was all set to sign up and they dropped the service.

Granted this is frontier and not verizon.

PQ should be better with FIOS. Channels seemed pretty equal last I checked. They really rip you off with monthly DVR fees. Easily 3x that of Dish.
 

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gobeezer said:
Archer75, when did you last check FiOS?

I'm in Oregon too, and just got off the phone with Frontier. He asked for my address (Hillsboro), then told me that FiOS service IS available, and quoted me monthly prices for Extreme HD package, Multi-room DVD, etc. He said the install cost would be [under $50] and no long-term contract is required.

I said how pleasantly surprised I was given reports of Frontier wanting to exit the TV business, fighting with Oregon regulators, charging $500 for new customers, etc. He said the company HAD been negative on the TV business for several months, but that recently employees were notified that things are back in a positive direction. The Frontier Web site still pushes DirecTV, but he said that should be updated soon.
I checked this past summer when it was available and then recently when there was nothing on their website.

I have a coworker who has fios tv now back from when verizon owned it, and he's in hillsboro. His contract is up and he's trying to re-negotiate because his set top boxes are going to $20 dvr fee each and he has 3. He called them up just before christmas and they were still pushing direct even then.

I'm in Gresham so if things change maybe i'll switch. I'd love to get a cable card and plug it in my tivo. Though I could use more than 2 tuners.
 

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gobeezer said:
I have looked into DirecTV, and their deals for new subscribers seem comparable to my Dish costs, even after the first few years. However, I've seen varied opinions on Dish vs DirecTV picture quality, with many seeming to think they're a wash. FiOS on the other hand seems to be widely agreed to have top picture quality, which is why I was looking into the Frontier/FiOS option.

Of course I'd love to hear other views from those who have seen FiOS (or DirecTV) on a really good HDTV setup. To me most of Dish's HD channels have the classic bitrate-starved compression look: great picture when everything's still, then back to artifact city when action resumes. On a big plasma set, it's hard to go back to after watching a pristine Blu-ray.
Bluray is also 1080p which you won't get with regular channels from satellite. Dish and Direct offer 1080p with some(or most) on demand stuff. The rest of it is 1080i. And various resolutions below 1920x1080. I think some shows are simply filmed at lower resolutions. I heard someone say some are at 1440x1080, but I could be wrong. Either way don't expect 100% bluray quality on Dish or Direct.

That said, I have had both, dish and direct, and watched them on my projector on a 145" screen and I haven't seen a difference.
 

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MCHuf said:
But FIOS uses QAM. So, unlike sat providers, you at least have the cable card device option to save money on dvr's and extra stb's.
Yes, and I have a tivo but it's still twice as much as the dish dvr fee's. And only two tuners. I actually run a tivo and a dish box so I can have more tuners.

Even if I got fios i'd probably keep their box and still use my tivo so I can have 4 tuners.
 
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