[tkrandall]

I see DISH is about to launch all national channels available from 61.5, 72.7 and 77 with a single dish. New customers only for now, and only if you can get your HD locals form 61.5 already. I wonder how this will impact their subscribership and any impact on DirecTV. I can see them getting many more customers in the eastern U.S. as line of site to the east sats will be much better (higher elevation) than it is for the 110 and 119 locations.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...ern-arc-starting-turbo-hd-business-rules.html

This competitive offering is also good reason for DirecTV to keep all their core programming no further west than 103, IMO, so as to keep line of site elevations as high as possible.

 

[tonyd79]

This will make it good for some customers and bad for others. I would not be able to get Dish from those locations.

 

[tkrandall]

This will make it good for some customers and bad for others. I would not be able to get Dish from those locations.

True - but it will be more options (or now an option) for many. You live in MD and can get 110/119 but not these new slots? Must be trees.....

I can get 99/101/103, but 110 and 119 are problematic for me. These eastern slots would work even better.

 

[RAD]

tkrandall, as I responded in your post about EA in the Dish forums, DirecTV now has put up all the HD programming on 99 and 103, no need for 110 or 119 anymore unless your SD locals are on 119 or you get some international channel from somewhere then 101.

 

[Mertzen]

I don't think D* has plans for anything more west then 119.

But the EA is a nice plan especially for the upper NE. I'm still amazed about the LOS for the 61.5.

 

[evan_s]

I'm sure this will be nice for dish customers on the east coast and this is good for Dish. I can't help but think DirecTVs 99/101/103 grouping is going to be a much better single location for the entire US. Dish is either going to have major LOS issue or have to maintain 2 sets of sats which can't be cheap.

Personally I don't know if I could get either of Dish's setups since I can't get 119 or anything further west and I'm doubtful I'd be able to get their eastern arc either.

 

[tkrandall]

tkrandall, as I responded in your post about EA in the Dish forums, DirecTV now has put up all the HD programming on 99 and 103, no need for 110 or 119 anymore unless your SD locals are on 119 or you get some international channel from somewhere then 101.

I know. And I am happy about that.

But isn't DirecTV now talking a bunch (is it 5?) of locations for new broadcats services (I forget the name at the moment)? If I recall the sat locations would be like 5 degrees apart ranging from something like 98W to 118W. I just don't want to ever have to "need" line of sight to anything further west than 103.

 

[tkrandall]

I'm sure this will be nice for dish customers on the east coast and this is good for Dish. I can't help but think DirecTVs 99/101/103 grouping is going to be a much better single location for the entire US. Dish is either going to have major LOS issue or have to maintain 2 sets of sats which can't be cheap.

Personally I don't know if I could get either of Dish's setups since I can't get 119 or anything further west and I'm doubtful I'd be able to get their eastern arc either.

Indeed, having a tight grouping at 99/101/103 is very helpful. check out my avatar - this a view up from behind my slimline dish on one of the days the sun was in line with the 101 sats I need that tight grouping.

 

[tonyd79]

True - but it will be more options (or now an option) for many. You live in MD and can get 110/119 but not these new slots? Must be trees.....

I can get 99/101/103, but 110 and 119 are problematic for me. These eastern slots would work even better.

Try a building.

I live in a condo and have a nice view for 99+ but lesser numbers would be a problem. Not everyone has a roof install.

And why can't you get 110/119? They should be easy. I have no problems. Unless you have obstructions yourself.

 

[evan_s]

DirecTV has put in for 5 of licenses for BSS that range from 99 to 119 or there abouts but that is still out in the future and hasn't even been approved by the FCC. There is also nothing that says they need to use anything outside of 99-103 for content to the home. The further west slots could be used for backhalling or west coast locals or other content like international HD. DirecTV seems to be heading pretty solidly towards consolidating it's main content around 99,101,103.

 

[bonscott87]

Plus the Eastern Arc project has a problem with it: when your HD locals are on 129 or something then you still need a second dish. Ooops.

 

[tkrandall]

Try a building.

And why can't you get 110/119? They should be easy. I have no problems. Unless you have obstructions yourself.

42 degree and 36 degree look angles, and trees. check out the photo. it was taken when the sun was at the 119 location last October (sun is behind the dish). I get 119, for now. 110 is in the crown of the oak tree.

 

[tkrandall]

. DirecTV seems to be heading pretty solidly towards consolidating it's main content around 99,101,103.

I hope so!

 

[bonscott87]

I hope so!

They are already there actually. ALL HD is from 99 and 103 and all SD is on 101. Only thing you need 110 or 119 anymore for would be if your SD locals are on 119 or some international programming.

 

[Mertzen]

Plus the Eastern Arc project has a problem with it: when your HD locals are on 129 or something then you still need a second dish. Ooops.

Most east coast locals are on 61.5 anyways. And I am sure all cna fit on those 3 birds.

 

[tkrandall]

They are already there actually. ALL HD is from 99 and 103 and all SD is on 101. Only thing you need 110 or 119 anymore for would be if your SD locals are on 119 or some international programming.

I already have my eye on possibly getting a slimline 3 dish. A may wait until I actually start to lose 119, but I think it is only a matter of time.

 

[tonyd79]

42 degree and 36 degree look angles, and trees. check out the photo. it was taken when the sun was at the 119 location last October (sun is behind the dish). I get 119, for now. 110 is in the crown of the oak tree.

But that is my point. There is no position that is best for someone just because they are on the East Coast. Too many variables. Trees, buildings, just the angles you have from your own house.

The only good part for Dish is that fewer people will need multiple dishes. That was just a plain ugly solution.

 

[tkrandall]

But that is my point. There is no position that is best for someone just because they are on the East Coast. Too many variables. Trees, buildings, just the angles you have from your own house.

The only good part for Dish is that fewer people will need multiple dishes. That was just a plain ugly solution.

yes. DISH's eastern arc and DirecTV's 99/101/13 cluster should improve odds of more people finding a viable solution, be it with DISH or DirecTV.

 

[RAD]

I already have my eye on possibly getting a slimline 3 dish. A may wait until I actually start to lose 119, but I think it is only a matter of time.

If you have a 5LNB dish now why do you care about 119? Just don't tune to the 70-99 HD channels and you're not using 110 or 119, all the HD on 200 or above is coming from 99 and 103. That is unless you don't have a 5LNB now and using a phase III dish, sorry didn't see where you said what you had now.

 

[tkrandall]

If you have a 5LNB dish now why do you care about 119? Just don't tune to the 70-99 HD channels and you're not using 110 or 119, all the HD on 200 or above is coming from 99 and 103. That is unless you don't have a 5LNB now and using a phase III dish, sorry didn't see where you said what you had now.

Guide data is located on 101 and mirrored on 119. The issue is if you have a SL5 dish but no line of site to 119, then whenver you are tuned to a 103 located channel (which is a majority of the time for me), you will be missing guide data updates, as the SL5 passes signals in either a 103/110/119 grouping, or a 99/101 grouping. The SL3 dish is designed to always pass 101 signals, whether grouped with 99 (no tone), or 103 (22 khz tone).