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I have another theory: In San Diego (where the OP is), NBC is an O&O while Fox is not. Could these agreements allow distants into O&O markets?
What is O&O?

Update: Owned and operated, Fox and NBC in NY is O&O correct? Are all 4 in NYC O&O?

Update: All 4 are in NYC, based on what people are reporting in the NY area, I don't think O&O has anything to do with it, I still think Fox/NBC cut wider agreements.
 

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They obviously made some kind of RV related arrangement with ABC, or at least got them to agree to an extension for the RV tiers because ABC is still going strong for me. One thing that seems crazy to me.. if they were going to replace the DC CW station with the CW Plus feed why not at least make it HD? On the opposite side now I can see Seinfeld at 10pm again!
 

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They obviously made some kind of RV related arrangement with ABC, or at least got them to agree to an extension for the RV tiers because ABC is still going strong for me. One thing that seems crazy to me.. if they were going to replace the DC CW station with the CW Plus feed why not at least make it HD? On the opposite side now I can see Seinfeld at 10pm again!
What is CW Plus? I always wanted to get the national PBS 389 as they sometimes (at least they did years ago, not sure now) premiere shows before the various NY PBS stations get them but even in the waiver days, it was never authorized for my location.
 

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What is CW Plus? I always wanted to get the national PBS 389 as they sometimes (at least they did years ago, not sure now) premiere shows before the various NY PBS stations get them but even in the waiver days, it was never authorized for my location.
The CW Plus is similar to the old FoxNet channel and the old The WB 100 Station Group it is a specialized national feed of The CW that the network operates themselves with syndicated programming that has no syndex restrictions (i.e. another local station can't force a cable/satellite provider to block out the syndicated program due to exclusivity provisions.)

It is used on cable systems and digital sub-channels in small markets that are primarly ranked below the top 100 Nielsen DMAs. It allows the station/cable operator a way to provide a CW channel without having to go through all the expenses of paying for programming to fill non-CW network hours. It also complies with the FCC's E/I requirements by airing at least 3 hours or more of educational content / week for kids.

Here is the Wikipedia article on it for more in depth details. And the article on its predecessor The WB 100+ Station Group.
 

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We probably need more data, such as FussyBob's market so we can see what the local Fox is. As noted, there is a Fox affiliate in Alpena Michigan (a WBKB sub channel) but Fox national feeds are still available. Alpena is not carried by DIRECTV.
To the Directv veterans here, does it mean anything if you lost a channel, went from white to greyed out on the guide, now it is back to white but still unviewable, did that mean anything in the past, don't want to call until we fully know what is going on.
 

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To the Directv veterans here, does it mean anything if you lost a channel, went from white to greyed out on the guide, now it is back to white but still unviewable, did that mean anything in the past, don't want to call until we fully know what is going on.
That's what happened to my CBS west feed. Channel 390 is still grayed out and unviewable, but channel 391 is now white again but does not have programming on it. It has that traditional ext. 721 error message on it, which it has had since yesterday evening.
 

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That's what happened to my CBS west feed. Channel 390 is still grayed out and unviewable, but channel 391 is now white again but does not have programming on it. It has that traditional ext. 721 error message on it, which it has had since yesterday evening.
Yep, 721, I was wondering if perhaps Directv's agreement which according to TV AnswerMan was made after the May 31st deadline, hoping that new CBS deal made some of us eligible again.
 

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I know that in the past, once a DNS channel is turned off, it can never be reinstated. I don't know if the same would apply here, but I'd guess it does.
 

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I know that in the past, once a DNS channel is turned off, it can never be reinstated. I don't know if the same would apply here, but I'd guess it does.
I once had a customer rep offer me a credit deal for the year, promised to not mess with my account but she cancelled it and put me in as a new subscriber, lost them all, I emailed the Office of the Vice President, she was able to reinstate the DNS after I described what happened, so on a technical level it can happen but it is true that from reading the reports on this site, very difficult.
 

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I lost all 4, got FOX and NBC (both feeds) back, then lost them again a bit ago. I tried to refresh and got an error message that said we know you are having problems with locals and are working on it. I'm located 120 miles north of Seattle, and get nothing but Vancouver BC with an antenna. My bill shows I've paid for all 4, no credits.
 

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I know that in the past, once a DNS channel is turned off, it can never be reinstated. I don't know if the same would apply here, but I'd guess it does.
This is a different world. In the past when a grandfathered customer gave up a distant it could not be restored. The law defined the grandfathering rules. Now the contract (the side agreement) defines the rules. It may be "once gone, always gone" but there is no law preventing the return of a feed carried due to a side agreement.
 

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This is a different world. In the past when a grandfathered customer gave up a distant it could not be restored. The law defined the grandfathering rules. Now the contract (the side agreement) defines the rules. It may be "once gone, always gone" but there is no law preventing the return of a feed carried due to a side agreement.
Thanks JL, you brought out what I was not considering, the new side agreement defines where we go forward, maybe a new customer can get the distants based on this side agreement, who knows, I wish we could get some clear guidance from ATT/Directv but I know that is a laugh given the current regime in power at ATT.

JL, is what you are writing that the new side agreement might make the whole concept of grandfathering to be over?

Even though I hope the side agreement would open up options for new subcribers to sign up for DNS, I wonder if the networks would even want that, so it goes.
 

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JL, is what you are writing that the new side agreement might make the whole concept of grandfathering to be over?
Possibly. I believe that it is fair that a person who signs up for DIRECTV tomorrow gets the same channel lineups available to 20 year customers in the same markets. But there may be wording in one or more of the agreements that allows people to keep the distant without allowing people to newly add the distant - similar to some of the weird grandfathered channels packages DIRECTV has. Sometimes loyalty has a reward.

I know I don't know. I am just taking notes as we move along.
 

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This is a different world. In the past when a grandfathered customer gave up a distant it could not be restored. The law defined the grandfathering rules. Now the contract (the side agreement) defines the rules. It may be "once gone, always gone" but there is no law preventing the return of a feed carried due to a side agreement.
So, James, do you think I should call and ask to get back the missing CBS feed? BTW, I'm one of the original DNS subscribers who worked his tail off to obtain waivers from each of the O&O stations in Chicago: CBS, NBC, ABC, & FOX. It was a pain in the ass, but I got them all.
 
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