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Good article Sam, my feeling on this issue is very neutral.
Honestly I sit here and read everyones posts regarding the merger and I'm stll very undecided if this merger would be a good thing or not.:confused:
 

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Originally posted by blingbling
I would never ever bet against Charles T. Ergen.
Me neither. Wasn't Charlie once notorious for being able to count cards and win money faster and better then the average cardplayers? I think he's a smart enough business man that he will find ways at the last minute to make the necessary concessions which would allow the merger to be approved with all the things he's done successfully in his past.
 

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But, where will he draw the line? Will it grow the business or satisfy a goal for the sake of satisfaction?

He's still a businessman and too many concessions may not make business sense.
 

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Good businessmen make good business decisions, bad businessmen make bad ones; I beleive Charlie to be one of the good ones. But then again, my crystal ball just ran out of batteries! :eek:
 

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Originally posted by The Unthinkable


Me neither. Wasn't Charlie once notorious for being able to count cards and win money faster and better then the average cardplayers?
I believe he even got thrown out of Vegas casinos for that. The casinos, understandably, don't look to favorably at that sort of thing and ban you for life if they catch you, which is not really all that hard.
 

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John Carmack of Id Software can count cards too. He used to post stories about his experiences at the Blackjack tables. He would win so much he was almost always told to leave.
 

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Originally posted by DmitriA


I believe he even got thrown out of Vegas casinos for that. The casinos, understandably, don't look to favorably at that sort of thing and ban you for life if they catch you, which is not really all that hard.
That is what I remember from reading one of Scott Greczkowski's posted articles covering the mind of Charlie Ergen awhile back as well. I've seen some pretty interesting casino specials on TLC and Discovery over the last 6 months or so that went into great detail breaking down all of the involved thought processes that go into creating something so complex that is:

1) A relatively easy floorplan to wander into yet difficult one to find your way out of with maze-like catacomb designs designed to trap people in for long periods of time. Free drinks constantly handed out to keep the money flowing from the genuine spenders with perfect precision.

2) Carpets, rugs, fabrics, designs, lighting, etc... all decorated in the most sensually pleasing colors that make people most want to part with their money along with slot machine sounds all meticulously scrutinized over and chosen to be the most universally appealing and rewarding of all.

3) Hidden cameras placed all over every square foot so that no one person can be completely out of view for anything more then a second or two maximum.

4) Security rooms off limits to everyone but the select few who have an eye in the sky helicopter view with banks and banks of monitors detailing every single incident happening in realtime. "Zoom in on table 6 Ritchie, that looks like Vinny Z. there."

5) Shelves and shelves stocked full of 24-7 constantly recording vcr's archiving and profiling virtually every spender that walks though the doors.

Ocean's 11 had some pretty funny scenes depicting the most memorable recent failed casino holdup attempts come to think of it where you see piles and piles of money scattered outside in the streets after people are shot in the backs making a run for it. But getting back to Charlie Ergen for a second, I do think he's established himself as a really shrewd and tough as nails negotiator kind of in the same veins as Lou Lamoriello with the New Jersey Devils.
 

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Originally posted by blingbling
John Carmack of Id Software can count cards too. He used to post stories about his experiences at the Blackjack tables. He would win so much he was almost always told to leave.
I don't know. I find that a little hard to believe - counting cards is very easy to catch because of the unsual pattern that the player has to play (i.e. bet the minimum for a very long time until the odds are favorable to you and then bet the maximum). The casinos are always on the look out and will nab you very quickly if you start doing that and will not really let you win all that much. Plus, they won't just ask you to leave, but will try to intimidate the hell out of you (although, they can't go beyond that since you are not breaking the law) and will also ban you for life. If you show up again in their building, they can charge you with trespassing.
 
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