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Good News for appartment dwellers.

DIRECTV has approved a flat cable for usage; part number TFC-144823 can be obtained via distributors. This cable has been tested to support KA/KU as well as SWM frequencies with minimal loss and with minimal effect on service.
I don't know who makes the cable or where you can find it, but it's good news at least. :)
 

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The installer that upgraded my sister's dish to the 5 LNB used that flat cable to go through the sliding glass door, and this door is the old metal frame type, it started to work through that flat cable, then the metal door was acting as contact across the cable.......wasn't good for their signal!!
 

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RobertE said:
Good News for appartment dwellers.

I don't know who makes the cable or where you can find it, but it's good news at least. :)
I figured it was because all flat cable wasn't rated for KaKu use. Nah some texas no it all called it an installer urban legend about flat cable.
 

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avmaster said:
flat cables suck. I just drill a hole. I am not going to go back to a customers apartment once a month to replace them.
That is where I am.

I charge (ed) $12.00 each to get their attention. I showed other ways to do it and insisted on a note on the landlord permission slip they never had but I always did.

The four that failed I replaced at no charge by putting them under the door mat when in the area.

IF a good one were available at 18" or better I would use it. After you use up the 12" there is not enough extra for any movement. Kick the fitting and good by connection.

DISH doesn't (didn't) do apartments for this and the grounding reason.

Joe
 

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Grydlok said:
I figured it was because all flat cable wasn't rated for KaKu use. Nah some texas no it all called it an installer urban legend about flat cable.
The memo also briefly mentions damage caused by the other cables.
 

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Grydlok said:
I figured it was because all flat cable wasn't rated for KaKu use. Nah some texas no it all called it an installer urban legend about flat cable.
I am the "know it all" and I repeat that flat cable works fine for KaKu, so long as it is specified for 2.15 Ghz which most flat cables are. You would not use RG59 for a sat install and you would not use a flat cable that is only rated to 1 Ghz for an install either. The story has been going around installers that flat cable won't work for KaKu and it is absolutely untrue.
 

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I am the "know it all" and I repeat that flat cable works fine for KaKu, so long as it is specified for 2.15 Ghz which most flat cables are. You would not use RG59 for a sat install and you would not use a flat cable that is only rated to 1 Ghz for an install either. The story has been going around installers that flat cable won't work for KaKu and it is absolutely untrue.
Working and being tested/rated for KaKu use while to being approved are 2 different things. 59 cable works but it's not approved.
 

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That is where I am.

I charge (ed) $12.00 each to get their attention. I showed other ways to do it and insisted on a note on the landlord permission slip they never had but I always did.

The four that failed I replaced at no charge by putting them under the door mat when in the area.

IF a good one were available at 18" or better I would use it. After you use up the 12" there is not enough extra for any movement. Kick the fitting and good by connection.

DISH doesn't (didn't) do apartments for this and the grounding reason.

Joe
I actually do a ton of DISH installs at apartments.

They do not require a ground, they understand that 9 times out of ten its not possible to ground at an apartment.

I drill holes through walls, I tell tenants if the landord says anything they can repair the hole simply by filling it with some silicone/stucco patch.

Haven't had one problem yet.
 

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I always used flat cables. I left a few extras and never had a problem. Drilling through an apartment is asking for trouble from the landlords, no matter what "management" tells you. Damage claims galore. But thats just my .02 cents

On flat cables, word from DirecTV themselves was flat cables were banned for use. I think the biggest thing was to eliminate the white-centered ones (RG59) and use only the blue centered ones (RG6).

When KaKu's started going in years ago we were told flat cables wouldnt work with the Ka signal. Of course, they do.

And the only reason RG59 works on the HD is simple. 59 is rated to roughly 1400-1500mhz. Our signal on the Ku bandwidth is 950-1450mhz. The Ka band was supposed to go down the 1650-2150 mhz bandwidth, making RG59 useless. However, too many houses were pre-wired in RG59 and that would be a big problem. Hence the B-band convertors......which convert the 250-750mhz range the Ka signal DOES come down to the A-band 1650-2150mhz.

not a hard concept
 

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NXStang said:
I always used flat cables. I left a few extras and never had a problem. Drilling through an apartment is asking for trouble from the landlords, no matter what "management" tells you. Damage claims galore. But thats just my .02 cents

On flat cables, word from DirecTV themselves was flat cables were banned for use. I think the biggest thing was to eliminate the white-centered ones (RG59) and use only the blue centered ones (RG6).

When KaKu's started going in years ago we were told flat cables wouldnt work with the Ka signal. Of course, they do.

And the only reason RG59 works on the HD is simple. 59 is rated to roughly 1400-1500mhz. Our signal on the Ku bandwidth is 950-1450mhz. The Ka band was supposed to go down the 1650-2150 mhz bandwidth, making RG59 useless. However, too many houses were pre-wired in RG59 and that would be a big problem. Hence the B-band convertors......which convert the 250-750mhz range the Ka signal DOES come down to the A-band 1650-2150mhz.

not a hard concept
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avmaster said:
I actually do a ton of DISH installs at apartments.

They do not require a ground, they understand that 9 times out of ten its not possible to ground at an apartment.

I drill holes through walls, I tell tenants if the landord says anything they can repair the hole simply by filling it with some silicone/stucco patch.

Haven't had one problem yet.
Thanks,

I haven't kept up. I went through a rash of DTV installs that had been turned down by DISH. Years earlier I spoke to DISH about an employee position and at that time they said they didn't do apartments. With most of this you never know who "they" are.

DTV still does a don't ask don't tell about the ground thing and the phone issue for apartments.

When I started doing this stuff I thought I would never have customers on a cable system or in an apartment.

Who knew?

Joe
 
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