[Herdfan]

Did anyone else watch last night? Good episode I thought, but I like Tyrion. He can and will say anything. Looking forward to this season.

 

[bigtom]

Did anyone else watch last night? Good episode I thought, but I like Tyrion. He can and will say anything. Looking forward to this season.

Fantastic show. What will Jon Snow and Jeor Mormont run into north of the wall? Did Joffrey or Tyrion command the actions at the conclusion of this episode? I am concerned about the Greyjoy's getting involved as well!

 

[RasputinAXP]

The slaughter of the bastard Baratheons was Cersei's doing, if I remember correctly.

 

[Maruuk]

Love the show, but even Cersei is making sarcastic jokes about the number of pretenders to the throne! Even she's confused about it!

They cut away to various courts down South and I can't make heads nor tails of them. They don't explain them well at all for folks who never read the books.

Is one court run by the Lannister father? The one who sent Tyrion in as the Hand of the King? So if he's really the King, what does that make Cersei's bastard son? He's acting like the King. Huh? But then is one of the courts run by a Baratheon, the brother of the dead Baratheon fat dude who got gored by the boar? Then he should be the legit King. Then the guy with boats who had been at war with the Starks in the past, arg, my head hurts!

Then the bastard Baratheon stable-boy kid who helped the Stark girl escape. I thought I had him all figured out as the bastard son of the late Baratheon King, but then somebody called him a Lannister. Or maybe that was his lookalike who is a Lannister who is now being used as an envoy between the warring parties.

Any help will be appreciated. They really have taken this way over the top characters-wise!

 

[camo]

I think they've cheapened the series this year with way too much sex. It would be much better without it and appeal to a wider audience. JMO

 

[sweep49]

I agree, too much unnecessary, gratuitous sex. Could spend more time on plot definition.

 

[altidude]

Love the show, but even Cersei is making sarcastic jokes about the number of pretenders to the throne! Even she's confused about it!

They cut away to various courts down South and I can't make heads nor tails of them. They don't explain them well at all for folks who never read the books.

Is one court run by the Lannister father? The one who sent Tyrion in as the Hand of the King? So if he's really the King, what does that make Cersei's bastard son? He's acting like the King. Huh? But then is one of the courts run by a Baratheon, the brother of the dead Baratheon fat dude who got gored by the boar? Then he should be the legit King. Then the guy with boats who had been at war with the Starks in the past, arg, my head hurts!

Then the bastard Baratheon stable-boy kid who helped the Stark girl escape. I thought I had him all figured out as the bastard son of the late Baratheon King, but then somebody called him a Lannister. Or maybe that was his lookalike who is a Lannister who is now being used as an envoy between the warring parties.

Any help will be appreciated. They really have taken this way over the top characters-wise!

Tywin Lannister, the Lannister father, is head of the Lannister clan. He isn't a king but is Warden of the West among other titles. He is hand of the sitting king, King Joffery, but has sent Tyrion in to act as hand of the king while Tywin is fighting Rob Stark's armies.

Joffery is in fact a Lannister since he is the child of Cersei and Jamie. They, the Lannisters, want to keep Joffery on the throne as a means to have that power in their hands. They continue to insist that Joffery is the legitimate son of Robert Baratheon, the fat dude gored by the bore (LOL!).

Robert Baratheon has two brothers, Stannis and Renly. Stannis is the older of the two brothers and has the better claim to the throne but Renly wants it. Renly believes he would be a much better king.

The guy with boats, Balon Greyjoy, is ruler of the Iron Islands and now claims to be King of the Iron Islands and wants to be King of the North. A point of contention with Rob Stark, current King of the North.

Gendry, the stable boy as you call him but actually a blacksmiths apprentice, is a bastard son of Robert Baratheon. I believe he is the oldest true son of Robert so would have best claim to the throne as far as that goes. That's why Cersei really wants him hunted down and eliminated.

The envoy I think you're talking about is Alton Lannister, cousin of Cersei and Jamie, and was captured during a battle with Rob Stark. The same battle where Jaimie is captured, the Battle of the Whispering Wood. He's a very minor character. That's not Gendry.

There are a few very good Game of Thrones wikis out there but if you have not read the books, there will be spoilers for you so be careful!

 

[Maruuk]

Tywin Lannister, the Lannister father, is head of the Lannister clan. He isn't a king but is Warden of the West among other titles. He is hand of the sitting king, King Joffery, but has sent Tyrion in to act as hand of the king while Tywin is fighting Rob Stark's armies.

Joffery is in fact a Lannister since he is the child of Cersei and Jamie. They, the Lannisters, want to keep Joffery on the throne as a means to have that power in their hands. They continue to insist that Joffery is the legitimate son of Robert Baratheon, the fat dude gored by the bore (LOL!).

Robert Baratheon has two brothers, Stannis and Renly. Stannis is the older of the two brothers and has the better claim to the throne but Renly wants it. Renly believes he would be a much better king.

The guy with boats, Balon Greyjoy, is ruler of the Iron Islands and now claims to be King of the Iron Islands and wants to be King of the North. A point of contention with Rob Stark, current King of the North.

Gendry, the stable boy as you call him but actually a blacksmiths apprentice, is a bastard son of Robert Baratheon. I believe he is the oldest true son of Robert so would have best claim to the throne as far as that goes. That's why Cersei really wants him hunted down and eliminated.

The envoy I think you're talking about is Alton Lannister, cousin of Cersei and Jamie, and was captured during a battle with Rob Stark. The same battle where Jaimie is captured, the Battle of the Whispering Wood. He's a very minor character. That's not Gendry.

There are a few very good Game of Thrones wikis out there but if you have not read the books, there will be spoilers for you so be careful!

Wow, huge help, thanks so much! Ah, Tywin is the hand, now I get it. Hence his right to assign Tyrion in his stead.

Ah, two Baratheon brothers Stannis and Renly! Missed that entirely. Now I can make sense of them.

Now I knew Greyjoy had fought the Starks in the past, and they don't trust him at all--that he'll just keep going North after London (that's what I call the Landing place) and grab Winterfell.

Ah so Gendry IS the bastard son of Robert Baratheon. I thought the searcher knights were looking for the little Stark girl as a bargaining chip, but they asked for the guy with the bull's head, so I guess they're looking for Gendry as well. Because they know he's the one who she's with and they want to kill him and have her alive as a hostage.

Alton and Gendry look similar, now I get it.

Thanks, this really helps all the loose threads. Oh, which Lannister brother has the redhead witchy babe in his court?

 

[altidude]

Oh, which Lannister brother has the redhead witchy babe in his court?

If you mean Melisandre, the Red Priestess, she's with Stannis Baratheon.

The Lannisters don't know that Arya is with the group headed to the wall that Gendry is in. She's just MIA as far as the Lannisters are concerned, assumed escaped and on her way to Winterfell. They would like to have her back as a hostage but they aren't really looking for her yet. Arya assumed the soldiers were looking for her, not knowing who Gendry is. So, Arya isn't really with Gendry other than being in that group headed to the wall.

 

[Maruuk]

That's interesting, I thought I had heard somebody say she was with the guy with the bull's head, but I must have heard wrong. So Melisandre is with Stannis, cool! I just have to be diligent now to keep the two Baratheon bros, the Lannister dad and Iron Isles guy straight. Everybody else is pretty easy to distinguish.

 

[altidude]

That's interesting, I thought I had heard somebody say she was with the guy with the bull's head, but I must have heard wrong.

"Somebody" read the book. For now, they're just walking in the same group.