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Maruuk said:
2) When the warning blocker comes on, pressing and holding the EXIT button does nothing. Tried it for long periods of time.
Are you using a DIRECTV remote or a universal?
 

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Stuart Sweet said:
Are you using a DIRECTV remote or a universal?
In my case of pressing and holding the exit button, I am using the DirecTV remote that came with the box. And it doesn't work. The full screen "Your TV Is Not HD" banner remains and all I get is the "BONG BONG BONG BONG .." sound effect. Great programming skillz there, DirecTV!
 

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NFLnut said:
In my case of pressing and holding the exit button, I am using the DirecTV remote that came with the box. And it doesn't work. The full screen "Your TV Is Not HD" banner remains and all I get is the "BONG BONG BONG BONG .." sound effect. Great programming skillz there, DirecTV!
Or a bad remote. I just tried it with 3 different DirecTv remotes, and all three worked. All 3 were set to the standard codeset, if that matters.
 

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I have a standard D* remote, but I am in another room using RF which in my case is intermittent and wanky both in the remote living room location and right in front of the main set/DVR in the bedroom. Lots of non-inputs and repeat inputs on single clicks. Maddening. Some kind of RF interference as IR and my iPad remote work fine. This HR24-500 RF problem is well-documented elsewhere. I have both a standard remote and one of the new self-lit jobs. I thought the new remote might help but nope.

I'll try firing up my iPad remote and using that for the EXIT conversion to 480.
 

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DogLover said:
Pressing and holding the Exit button is just one button.
You are of course correct. When I first tried it didn't seem to work. Seems to work now with all my remotes. I'll probably still plunk for the converter, partly because I want to try it with the TiVos. Watching HD in one room and SD in another simply isn't an option with them. Some day the TiVos will die. They're used now for OTA and a few SD only D* Channels.

BTW, other comments on the suggestions in the sticky. Number three doesn't apply if you have "Native" video on. In this case the format key will only cycle through the formats for the current resolution. Not a real starter anyway. Wouldn't want to have to cycle through the four screen fromats for every checked resolution anyway.
 

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bobcamp1 said:
Until now, D* condoned using more than one output at once, but it was never officially supported. The function can disappear any day. Just like eSATA.
What the heck? Where's the list of "unofficial" features that may disappear one day?

The HR20 supported simultaneous output from day one. There was no warning message when I plugged my TV in to the device saying that one day this ability might get stripped out. There was no web page which said you can give this a shot, but it's Beta and may not always be there.

It just worked and it worked the right way. I never liked how the HR10 did it.
 

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CCarncross said:
Considering the analog hole needs to be plugged eventually, this is also in-line with the future.
It has nothing to do with that.

Besides, broadcasters were never overly concerned with subscribers recording poor quality low definition copies for their own use. It's the HD copies possible through component video and even HDMI that concern them.
 

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Shades228 said:
I know it was my words I typed them. I also typed them for a specific reason and that reason is this. If you design a product to be used in a specific manner and people use it in another manner you don't care if it will make something happen in a manner you don't support if it makes your product better for people using it correctly...

The bottom line is that DIRECTV doesn't support their equipment being used for multiple TV's and even though you can make it work they don't have to care about inconveniencing people who aren't using their product the way they design it to better the experience for those who do.
Well, thanks for sharing, but I don't think anyone was questioning that you might not have understood what you yourself said. And thanks for rehammering it home, but your "specific reason" for typing those words was also pretty obvious.

And you will note that I had the courtesy to take care not to take you out of context. But there is no harm in AGREEING WITH YOU, is there? Or in co-opting your words to underline a point we both seem to agree with? That is probably of one of the reasons they put a quote button on your post in the first place, and that is the spirit in which it was used. Sue me.

I think we disagree on only one point, and we may even agree on that. No good deed goes unpunished. DTV wanted to do the right thing by giving us a HD GUI. Hurray for them. We all appreciate it. But sometimes making things happen for good has unintended consequences, or means there may be some unavoidable element of compromise, which is probably how this played out.

My feeling is that you should never stop trying to do the right thing just because it might turn out to be problematic, and you should always try to minimize the damage to customers, who in this case are now, some of them, burdened with a clunky workaround that they could live blissfully unaware of in the era of the SD GUI.

I also feel that DTV probably did everything possible to uphold both of those goals, but sometimes doing everything possible still results in irksome changes. We just have to deal with that, but there is no evidence at all that this is based on the customary arrogance they have shown in the past. They may very well have cared deeply about causing this problem, but may also have had no other choice. Presumed innocence is hard to challenge here.

So my approach will be to move on, stop moaning about it, count my blessings, and adapt, which is the same advice I would give were I ever solicited.
 

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JonW said:
It has nothing to do with that.

Besides, broadcasters were never overly concerned with subscribers recording poor quality low definition copies for their own use. It's the HD copies possible through component video and even HDMI that concern them.
It may have nothing directly to do with it, but it is still very much "in line" with it as the poster said, and is part of a host of similar issues facing all of us.

And speaking as a Broadcaster (but then not for all broadcasters) most of us have always been concerned that customers get the best quality available even if they were shooting themselves in the foot by recording it themselves in VHS SLP. That folks don't seem to care about preserving the quality we give them is much more irksome to us. We don't care if you record it in HD or distribute it in HD to a friend or archive it in HD for your library. It's the production houses that care about licensing and ownership, not us. Just don't pirate it and sell it.

After all, we are the keepers of the highest quality, and the only place you can get the highest quality other than buying it on Blu-Ray (and have you seen what they are asking for a year of Fringe in hard copy these days?) We used to be the only place to get content, and our industry has to adapt to the fact that you can get content anywhere, so one of the things we are holding on to, at least for the next few years, is that no one else can give you the PQ that you can get OTA.

So we do indeed care that you get HD in the highest quality, and we want to make it convenient for you to have access to it, which means time-shifting, archiving, and sharing it. That is one way for us to remain relevant. We just don't have a lot of control over the archiving and sharing aspects of it. The last thing we want to do is piss off customers by providing them a shoddy product. I'm not sure that applies to The Jersey Shore, however.

Roku is great. Netflix is great. Hulu is great. But even if you are wealthy enough to be able to afford really good internet and lucky enough to have really good internet available in your area, the quality just is not there, and it goes down from there if its a shared pipe or if your MB connection or GB ceiling is not a high number. So exclusively high quality is one of the things we hang our hats on.

So please don't paint Broadcasters with that brush; over-regulating and rationing content is the object lesson from the record industry that we will hopefully learn from, and we certainly won't be on board for doing that by down-rezzing the quality of the content.
 

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and we certainly won't be on board for doing that by down-rezzing the quality of the content.
Wish you ran our market. So many subchannels the primary HD channel looks like crap. PBS downrezzing from 1080i to 720p and cramming on 3 subchannels. I get much better quality watching the networks via C band distribution...Except for FOX, which apparently feels the need to scramble theirs.
 

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Yeah, I also get the "Your TV or the cables are not HD" message when using a VCR to copy recorded DVR material from my parents' HR24. Exiting out of the msg. then holding EXIT does the trick.

Now if there's a way to change the Gray Bars color on the top and bottom when in letterbox mode...
 

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Yeah, I also get the "Your TV or the cables are not HD" message when using a VCR to copy recorded DVR material from my parents' HR24. Exiting out of the msg. then holding EXIT does the trick.

Now if there's a way to change the Gray Bars color on the top and bottom when in letterbox mode...
Go to Settings, HDTV, Video, and you can change the color.
 

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Shades228 said:
It's a HD box so it's primary function is HD. Just because they allowed people to use the SD outputs at the same time does not mean that they support or care about people who decided to use it this way.

There are options out there to get which have been discussed multiple times in multiple threads. At this point you need to just look for a resolution that you want to do whether it's buying a converter, using 480 or getting a receiver for that room.
They did support it in a way by going to the effort of adding the "Exit" method of switching back and forth. So they do understand that a lot of people are using SD devices with the HD STBs and are trying to enhance their experience by making it as painless as possible for people to go on using them as they always have. When I want to record I hold down "Exit" until it switches to SD, make my recording and then "Exit to switch back to my HD setting. Not too bad.
 

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So please don't paint Broadcasters with that brush; over-regulating and rationing content is the object lesson from the record industry that we will hopefully learn from, and we certainly won't be on board for doing that by down-rezzing the quality of the content.
Yes, obviously the content creators are the party primarily interested in protecting the value of their work ... but they apparently have enough leverage to force those of you downstream to help them protect it. If equipment manufacturers and broadcasters/deliverers had refused to support initiatives such as HDCP, DRM, and the broadcast "flag" - I wonder how things would have shaken out.

But my point remains the same, their focus is not on low-quality links like SD or composite. That's not what they mean when they refer to closing the "analog hole".
 

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I've tried 3 different remotes and the iPad remote and the EXIT hold down either does nothing or forces a mode change into a live channel. Mostly it does nothing. It certainly doesn't change resolution output.

In short bursts the HDUI is on screen, downscaled nicely to SD and working like it should so it CAN do the job fine, but the frickin warning blocker suddenly kicks in and wrecks everything. Way to go D*, another brilliant execution choked away by the geniuses in R&D. "Let's stick a huge warning sign on screen over the perfectly good downscaled HDUI so the user can't watch anything!" Forrest Gump lives.
 

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Maruuk said:
I've tried 3 different remotes and the iPad remote and the EXIT hold down either does nothing or forces a mode change into a live channel. Mostly it does nothing. It certainly doesn't change resolution output.

In short bursts the HDUI is on screen, downscaled nicely to SD and working like it should so it CAN do the job fine, but the frickin warning blocker suddenly kicks in and wrecks everything. Way to go D*, another brilliant execution choked away by the geniuses in R&D. "Let's stick a huge warning sign on screen over the perfectly good downscaled HDUI so the user can't watch anything!" Forrest Gump lives.
Holding exit while in a recording will drop it out of the recording. You need to press and hold exit while the banner is up. Also make sure Native is off.
 
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