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Looking to upgrade to WHDVR service.

Already have one DVR (HR21), 2 H21's, 1 H24. Was debating on replacing either one HR21 with an HR34 to give me 7 tuners or replacing 2 H21's with DVR's which would be 6 tuners.

Price quotes from D are about the same (within 10 bucks either way).

The HR34 is the latest and greatest and as a geek, it is always tempting to have the latest "stuff", but spreading the risk with multiple DVR's in the event one takes a dive would allow more flexibility as well as allowing more expansion of storage should I choose to add external drives to all three DVR's.

So leaving the "geek temptations" at the door, and only considering interoperatibility in a WHDVR setup, features, storage capacity, etc, what would you choose and why?
 

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Keep the HR21
Replace the H21. You'll have seven tuners, newer receiver
 

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My personal preference is HR2x series as opposed to HR34. DVR at each TV gives me trick play (pause/rewind/etc) at each TV which you don't get with an HR34 and a non-HR at remote tv location. Also, spreads tuners across more boxes/drives so you don't have a single point of failure. On the other side, HR34 has PIP and an additional tuner in your setup.
 

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grover517 said:
Looking to upgrade to WHDVR service.

Already have one DVR (HR21), 2 H21's, 1 H24. Was debating on replacing either one HR21 with an HR34 to give me 7 tuners or replacing 2 H21's with DVR's which would be 6 tuners.

Price quotes from D are about the same (within 10 bucks either way).

The HR34 is the latest and greatest and as a geek, it is always tempting to have the latest "stuff", but spreading the risk with multiple DVR's in the event one takes a dive would allow more flexibility as well as allowing more expansion of storage should I choose to add external drives to all three DVR's.

So leaving the "geek temptations" at the door, and only considering interoperatibility in a WHDVR setup, features, storage capacity, etc, what would you choose and why?
Why don't you replace one H21 with an HR2X and the other H21 with an HR34. Then you have it all!

For me, I replaced a failing HR22 with an HR34 and have 2 TV's running off the HR34. That gives me 5 tuners, 100 series recordings and PIP on 2 TV's, both in HD. And I still have an HR22 in another room to have multiple DVR's to as you said "spread that risk". Along with WHDVR, it gives me availability of recordings in all 3 rooms.
 

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RACJ2 said:
Why don't you replace one H21 with an HR2X and the other H21 with an HR34. Then you have it all!
Although I haven't yet called retention to see if I can get any better price points on this upgrade, the current upfront cost of what you are proposing would negate the deal entirely for me. I am currently looking at about 450.00 which is already pushing it.

Sure it would be great to "have my cake and eat it too", but just like seeing that German Chocolate Cake on the counter, I have to tell myself "just one piece"! :D
 

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I'd stay away from the 34. I wish I had. I'm starting to think this box was overly ambitious and now Direct has a piece of hardware that is spec'd beyond their capability to program it.

It is slow to operate and very buggy.

I wish I had spent my $99 (new customer upgrade) to get two HR24s rather than the HR34 and an H25.

(By the way, I'm not totally down on DIRECTV. I love the picture quality and the H25 is a dream to use. That box is super fast and works great!)
 

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I'd stay away from the 34. I wish I had. I'm starting to think this box was overly ambitious and now Direct has a piece of hardware that is spec'd beyond their capability to program it.

It is slow to operate and very buggy.

I wish I had spent my $99 (new customer upgrade) to get two HR24s rather than the HR34 and an H25.

(By the way, I'm not totally down on DIRECTV. I love the picture quality and the H25 is a dream to use. That box is super fast and works great!)
I totally disagree with the 34 statement. My HR34 is quite dependable having only missed 1 recording in 3-1/2 months of service. I do multiple recordings on various DVR'S to check the effectiveness. I may even replace a couple of DVR's with another 34 later this summer.

There are some issues with the 34 but no show stoppers.
 

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I would go with the HR34 and do the bulk of recording on it.

The reason is that there is no central management of the MRV from D* currently, which makes managing recordings a bit of a PITA if you have multiple DVRs as I do. With the HR34 set to do most of your recording, it alleviates that situation quite a bit.
 

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carl6 said:
My personal preference is HR2x series as opposed to HR34. DVR at each TV gives me trick play (pause/rewind/etc) at each TV which you don't get with an HR34 and a non-HR at remote tv location. Also, spreads tuners across more boxes/drives so you don't have a single point of failure. On the other side, HR34 has PIP and an additional tuner in your setup.
Didn't realize I would lose trick play capabilities without a DVR at the remote end. That is a biggie for all concerned parties in the house. That just might be a deal breaker for the HR34.

And as a ReplayTV user for over a decade now with 4 different DVR's scattered thru the house, I am more than aware of the need to spread the risk and try to eliminate single points of failure. Yet another reason I second guessed the HR34 idea.

As for PIP (never use it), and having a 7th tuner vs 6, I really need to reevaluate my life if I need that many tuners shouldn't I? :p

Thanks for bringing that up.
 

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T-Mac said:
I'd stay away from the 34. I wish I had. I'm starting to think this box was overly ambitious and now Direct has a piece of hardware that is spec'd beyond their capability to program it.

It is slow to operate and very buggy.

I wish I had spent my $99 (new customer upgrade) to get two HR24s rather than the HR34 and an H25.

(By the way, I'm not totally down on DIRECTV. I love the picture quality and the H25 is a dream to use. That box is super fast and works great!)
I would expect new stuff like the HR34 to be a little buggy out of the gate, so not that concerned about that. D* has been pretty good over the years of resolving other issues.

However, I also understand your angst in regards to second guessing yourself. Regardless of what I choose in my upcoming upgrade, there will always be that little voice in the back of my head whenever an issue arises that says, maybe I should have done it differently. Sigh....... ;)

Kinda why I started this tread in the first place.
 

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jagrim said:
I totally disagree with the 34 statement. My HR34 is quite dependable having only missed 1 recording in 3-1/2 months of service. I do multiple recordings on various DVR'S to check the effectiveness. I may even replace a couple of DVR's with another 34 later this summer.

There are some issues with the 34 but no show stoppers.
Do you think the recording that was missed was due to a glitch in the software? Or rather maybe that a priority was incorrect, or was not executed correctly by the HR34? Depending on which recording might get missed (such as a soap opera, Survivor, American Idol, etc), I could be spending the night in the back seat of my car parked in the garage! :grin:
 

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grover517 said:
Do you think the recording that was missed was due to a glitch in the software? Or rather maybe that a priority was incorrect, or was not executed correctly by the HR34? Depending on which recording might get missed (such as a soap opera, Survivor, American Idol, etc), I could be spending the night in the back seat of my car parked in the garage! :grin:
I've tried to stay quiet on this issue, but I really think putting five tuners on an HR with only a 1TB drive is, for someone like me, absolutely useless. I have 12 active HRs and back everything up multiple times. You can't do that with the 34. You lose the 34 and all your recordings are lost. You cannot back up programming on it. Even with a 2TB drive on it, it will fill up quickly (no, you're not gonna fill it up overnight or during a week, but before you know it, the HDD will be full).

For casual viewers I'd guess it's a fine piece of equipment, but I'd rather have 24 tuners and 20 TBs of recording capacity to play with.

I do realize I'm an anomaly....:lol:

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"grover517" said:
Do you think the recording that was missed was due to a glitch in the software? Or rather maybe that a priority was incorrect, or was not executed correctly by the HR34? Depending on which recording might get missed (such as a soap opera, Survivor, American Idol, etc), I could be spending the night in the back seat of my car parked in the garage! :grin:
I think it was just a glitch as my other STB's correctly recorded it. I have also has the opposite where the 34 cancelled a rerun and the other HR's recorded it even though the series is set at first run only.
 

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Well, decision has been made (maybe).

I called retention and they wouldn't budge on the HR34 cost, but got a good deal on going the two DVR upgrade route. About half of what I was originally quoted.

So as with many things in life, money ends up being the deciding factor. :rolleyes:

One of the other stipulations was that they installed the WHDVR setup with a multiswitch rather than the LNB upgrade because I have a legacy receiver I MUST keep. Otherwise, the whole deal goes out the window. :(

The agent said she couldn't get the system to accept the WHDVR setup without also including a SD receiver upgrade of my one single (and owned) RCA legacy receiver which is rock solid and controls the one remaining ReplayTV I will be keeping around.

So she notated on the order that they need to install a SWM 8 or 16 instead of an LNB upgrade and then I have to discuss it with the install tech on Friday. The multiswitches have legacy ports for a reason, but D* just can't leave it alone can they?

Why does everything have to be so stinkin difficult!?? :rolleyes:
 

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"grover517" said:
Well, decision has been made (maybe).

I called retention and they wouldn't budge on the HR34 cost, but got a good deal on going the two DVR upgrade route. About half of what I was originally quoted.

So as with many things in life, money ends up being the deciding factor. :rolleyes:

One of the other stipulations was that they installed the WHDVR setup with a multiswitch rather than the LNB upgrade because I have a legacy receiver I MUST keep. Otherwise, the whole deal goes out the window. :(

The agent said she couldn't get the system to accept the WHDVR setup without also including a SD receiver upgrade of my one single (and owned) RCA legacy receiver which is rock solid and controls the one remaining ReplayTV I will be keeping around.

So she notated on the order that they need to install a SWM 8 or 16 instead of an LNB upgrade and then I have to discuss it with the install tech on Friday. The multiswitches have legacy ports for a reason, but D* just can't leave it alone can they?

Why does everything have to be so stinkin difficult!?? :rolleyes:
Let us know which model you get it hooked up.
 

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"grover517" said:
Well, decision has been made (maybe).

I called retention and they wouldn't budge on the HR34 cost, but got a good deal on going the two DVR upgrade route. About half of what I was originally quoted.

So as with many things in life, money ends up being the deciding factor. :rolleyes:

One of the other stipulations was that they installed the WHDVR setup with a multiswitch rather than the LNB upgrade because I have a legacy receiver I MUST keep. Otherwise, the whole deal goes out the window. :(

The agent said she couldn't get the system to accept the WHDVR setup without also including a SD receiver upgrade of my one single (and owned) RCA legacy receiver which is rock solid and controls the one remaining ReplayTV I will be keeping around.

So she notated on the order that they need to install a SWM 8 or 16 instead of an LNB upgrade and then I have to discuss it with the install tech on Friday. The multiswitches have legacy ports for a reason, but D* just can't leave it alone can they?

Why does everything have to be so stinkin difficult!?? :rolleyes:
If it's not a line item on the work order the installer is not going to install it.
"NOTATING" the order is not going to change what the installer is going to receive for your install
He won't be given a SWM 16 because it was notated. What is going to be on the order is based on your existing equipment. You have a total of 8 tuners which the SWM Lnb will support. The RCA will be required to be replaced if you want the whole home service. There is a way out as you said, money money money. Purchase your own SWM 8 or 16 that way you don't have to lose the RCA receiver. Don't want you wait till install day and get into an argument with installer and other agents.
 

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While your older RCA receiver may be "rock solid", keep in mind that it is not designed to keep up with the new guide data and in fact may not have a complete guide available to you (some channels may be missing). The new receiver will be a D12 which will work just fine, and will have the same user interface as the DVRs. You might consider allowing that change-out.
 

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naijai said:
If it's not a line item on the work order the installer is not going to install it.
"NOTATING" the order is not going to change what the installer is going to receive for your install
He won't be given a SWM 16 because it was notated. What is going to be on the order is based on your existing equipment. You have a total of 8 tuners which the SWM Lnb will support. The RCA will be required to be replaced if you want the whole home service. There is a way out as you said, money money money. Purchase your own SWM 8 or 16 that way you don't have to lose the RCA receiver. Don't want you wait till install day and get into an argument with installer and other agents.
I understand what you are saying. Trust me, after hours on the phone with D*, I was well aware of the problems I might run into with them over this. That is why I initially considered just doing the WHDVR upgrade myself instead of D* doing it, and might just end up doing that anyway.

I have an elderly mother who uses that TV/receiver that has macular degeneration and knows the current remote by heart. I will NOT force her to try and learn a new remote over an upgrade. I even have 2 spare remotes of the same model so if she wears one out, as well as a spare RCA receiver that was on my account previously in the event the receiver takes a dive. I was also adament with the rep's that they make absolutely sure that the install tech or someone from the install company, call me to discuss before they show up so I don't waste their time or mine.

Since they are scheduled to show up tomorrow (Friday), that does not give me sufficient time to get my own SWM8 and install before they show up. Guess I need to just reschedule for a later date until I can get a SWM8 to replace my WB68.

I assume it would be just a straight up swap? Or do I need anything else such as splitters, band pass filters, etc?

What is that old saying??? If you want something done to your liking, do it yourself! ;)
 

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Rich said:
I've tried to stay quiet on this issue, but I really think putting five tuners on an HR with only a 1TB drive is, for someone like me, absolutely useless. I have 12 active HRs and back everything up multiple times. You can't do that with the 34. You lose the 34 and all your recordings are lost. You cannot back up programming on it. Even with a 2TB drive on it, it will fill up quickly (no, you're not gonna fill it up overnight or during a week, but before you know it, the HDD will be full).

For casual viewers I'd guess it's a fine piece of equipment, but I'd rather have 24 tuners and 20 TBs of recording capacity to play with.

I do realize I'm an anomaly....:lol:
Anomaly on the quantity but not on reliability concerns.

I expected a "Home Media Server" to be designed to put in my basement (wiring area), store more than 2X an HR24, and be more reliable than 2 separate DVRs. It's a fail (RVU client not released and RVU support is apparently shaky), fail, fail (drive or receiver single point of failure). Instead we got just more tuners.

I hope they can deliver on the RVU promise. With that it's possible that they could eventually support a pair of HR34 in a mirrored/failover setup. Still would have too limited storage.

One has to wonder where the requirements for the HR34 came from. Do they ever talk to the kind of customer that would want a "Home Media Server"?! I suppose some Product Manager was constrained to a specific price point...
 
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