[pastorgadget]

I know that I am in the minority, but IMHO there was a positive aspect to the Distants being turned off. It lit a fire under Dish to get some of the smaller Market locals. When I got Dish 3 years ago I was told that we would get locals soon. I ended up "moving" to Houston to get the networks. When the distants were cut off, Dish rolls out local after local. I know that loosing distants is hard for some, and I understand that some folks in remote areas really need and should get distants but for me it worked.
Just my 2 cents

By the way I am in the Beaumont/Pt Arthur market

 

[Slamminc11]

I know that I am in the minority, but IMHO there was a positive aspect to the Distants being turned off. It lit a fire under Dish to get some of the smaller Market locals. When I got Dish 3 years ago I was told that we would get locals soon. I ended up "moving" to Houston to get the networks. When the distants were cut off, Dish rolls out local after local. I know that loosing distants is hard for some, and I understand that some folks in remote areas really need and should get distants but for me it worked.
Just my 2 cents

By the way I am in the Beaumont/Pt Arthur market

umm, I believe they rolled out like two or three locals after the distants were shut off, and my guess is that they were already in the works prior to the distants scheduled to be shut off, which is far for "Dish rolls out local after local". Exactly how many do you think they have added in the last couple months???

 

[James Long]

They made a deal with the affiliates to add a few ... and added them anyways even though the deal fell through. I don't see the new markets as specifically linked to the 12/1 turn off of DNS - although E* has fallen behind of my expectations for markets uplinked.

 

[Mike D-CO5]

I did a count on the last few 40 dmas and most of the areas do not have all the 4 main networks included in them, because there are none in that area. So I take it Dish doesn't want to add them because they can not add significantly viewed locals to fill in the gap. That is till next month when the congress may address this with a bill for Dish allowing them to do so. So maybe that is why they are waiting to add any more.

 

[lwilli201]

Since the NAB is not real happy with E* DNS policy may have a bearing on why they are having trouble sighning up more local to local DMA's?

 

[pastorgadget]

umm, I believe they rolled out like two or three locals after the distants were shut off, and my guess is that they were already in the works prior to the distants scheduled to be shut off, which is far for "Dish rolls out local after local". Exactly how many do you think they have added in the last couple months???

I stated my opinion was a minority opinion, I just felt that E sped up a little with a few local markets. not revolutionary but I am glad that my locals were in that bunch, some say it was coincidental but I do know that two of the local stations were more than happy to uplink with Dish over two years before it was done, and dish dragged there feet.

I do believe this had something to do with sattelite position.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Yes616]

Some of the small markets don't even contain all of the networks. How does this work? If your local market only contains say ABC and Fox can you get NBC and CBS only from NPS?

 

[lakebum431]

Some of the small markets don't even contain all of the networks. How does this work? If your local market only contains say ABC and Fox can you get NBC and CBS only from NPS?

If you are using Dish as your provider, then yes.

 

[rec9140]

I stated my opinion was a minority opinion, I just felt that E sped up a little with a few local markets. not revolutionary but I am glad that my locals were in that bunch, some say it was coincidental but I do know that two of the local stations were more than happy to uplink with Dish over two years before it was done, and dish dragged there feet.

I do believe this had something to do with sattelite position.

I will first state, while I respect your opinion, I disagree :nono2: :nono2: :nono: :nono: Very strongly.

Lets just forget for a moment the whold current situation and start out from the point you've decided to get DBS and specifically Dish Network (good choice!).....

Dealer or CSR or who ever you deal with out lines that you can subscribe to this or that or even this or may some of that too.. So as example the choices are

Basic Pack
Mega Basic Pack
Super Duper Mega Pack
Slurp It All Pack

In these packages are the following channels:

NBCNetwork/E
NBCNetwork/W
ABCNetwork/E
ABCNetwork/W
CBS Network/E
CBSNetwork/W
Fox Network/E
Fox Network/W
CWNetwork/W
CWNetwork/E
My Network/E
My Network/W
I Network/W
I Network/E
PBS Network

These channels are included in all the above packs..... The CSR/Dealer explains that your getting all your standard TV "networks" like Greys Anatomy on 7500 at 9PM or on 7501 at 12M, etc....

So now..... I ask ...... switching back to the boondoggle of mess we have now...

Why the need to send 100x the number channels of NBC etc. when you need only the above. Outline what NETWORK PROGRAMMING is not sent, be specific and look at what I typed, NETWORK PROGRAMMING I didn't ask about filler..

If you were to tune to 7500 at 7AM you would get Good Morning America, like wise for 7502 for Today, 7504..... At 1PM when the soap filler till 4PM you would get that....Sun at 12N and the what ever sport of the day/year is on...... 8PM rolls around x show is on its network.......

Now if you look theres time from 9AM to 1PM and 4PM to 630 and 7PM to 8PM that could be filled with NEW PROGRAMMING versus the current filler of Regis/Kelly, etc.. Or maybe we do like HBO and show WED nights shows from 9AM to 1PM on THURS AM for those that were out and couldn't catch the W feed 3 hours later.

What network programming is be missed by viewers??? NONE. Lets just say for grins that it continues in an ad supported model as well. MORE SHOWS, MORE AD SPACE, and MORE $$$$ that the network keeps 100% of v. splitting to the dinocasters.

Dinocasters are not showing any thing useful..... I don't see any difference in schedule of channel 245 ABC/E v. 5735 ABC/E now, same shows, same days, same times.

I can hear the clicks already... but, but.but.. what about....

Why continue to use an outmoded business model and saddle new technology with the old worn out baggage. The networks could be a much better going business concern if they dumped the dinocasters. No more rules on content so better shows get on. Maybe other shows that have been cancelled would have found their audience and still be on.... The networks could expand to have 2-3 channels like HBO etc. geared to say reality crap, dramas, sitcom/comedy... The potential to improve the "standard networks" is there but the networks are being dragged down by their own business model.

I've thought since day one when the whole send all the dinocasters on sat to subs started was a waste. I don't get it, and I guess I just never will since I am not interested in the filler programming that the dinocasters pollute the airwaves with outside the network feed.

I personally hope Echostar quits adding any further channels via the LIL boondoggle and tells the NAB to die. If Charlie was smart and its a pretty smart cookie he would go to the networks and say heres the deal..... You feed us DIRECT we put it ALL the packges you get your $0.27/sub/month.... so thats $3,240,000 PER MONTH PER NETWORK DIRECT to the network or $38,880,000.00/ YEAR. No cuts to affiliates... direct payment. Not bad for not selling ONE single ad ad thats with just Dish at 12mil subs, so double it to $78/mil roughly between the two DBS carriers. Now you go back to the crapble subs and you probably pick up a $200 mill/year there... again we have not sold one single ad spot.

PLUS...... Those who have relied soley on OTA will now have to get DBS (since likely if they were still OTA then crapble was not an option) so the DBS gets more subs gets more $$$ and the networks get more $$$ from these new subs $$$.

The spectrum vacated by dinocasters can be divided to other users like public safety and auctioned off for new services, thus the government makes $$$ which would be required to be paid direct to the Office of Public Debt or what ever its name is. The FCC genereated $$$ in auctions of spectrum.

The consumer wins, the networks win, the government wins. The NAB and dinocasters LOOSE! Some one always have to loose and in this case its no loss to the consumer.

 

[minnow]

I don't believe for one second that the DNS shutoff has had any impact whatsoever on E* adding a darn thing much less more locals. IF anything over the past 12 months the number of new, unserved DMA's being added has crawled to a trickle, a drip, little to nothing. If your DMA was added recently it was done as a matter of a prior plan that E* was following and had absolutely nothing to do with DNS shutoff.
My DMA has all four networks including a CW of all things and the latest email from E* to me was that they had no plans to add it or for that matter any plans to make plans. A DMA will all the nets plus the CW would lead an rational person to think that hey, maybe this is one DMA we should look at. But Noooo....

 

[Jim5506]

The networks have exclusive contracts with their affiliates. The networks CANNOT just feed Dish or Direct or any other satellite provider their signal. Network W and E signals come from affiliates, they may be network owned, but they are not direct feeds from the network - the networks cannot do that. It would be a violation of their affiliate contracts.

Do you think your local network affiliate is going to allow the network to encroach into its advertising territory - no way!!

 

[rec9140]

The networks have exclusive contracts with their affiliates. The networks CANNOT just feed Dish or Direct or any other satellite provider their signal. Network W and E signals come from affiliates, they may be network owned, but they are not direct feeds from the network - the networks cannot do that. It would be a violation of their affiliate contracts.

Do you think your local network affiliate is going to allow the network to encroach into its advertising territory - no way!!

I am aware the of the contracts the networks have with the dinocasters....

I am aware of where the NETWORK signals are coming from.... I said that Charlie should meet with the networks to arrange ditching the dino casters. Would them and their attack dog NABy have a fit you bet. SCREW EM! They've done nothing but show that they have no respect for the CONSUMER in the market place, so its time they get the same from the consumer. The chance of this happening is slim till some one with some guts and brains starts running the networks. I pick NBC to be the first, this is one time when one of those bean coutners that GE has probably could do us a favor. The affiliates are costing the networks $$$$ money they COULD KEEP with out them and STILL GET their shows to the same if not a LARGER AUDIENCE.

I am not going to be a slave to this out dated system, and have not been since I got Dish. I've had the network package since I sub'd....PT24 at that time... had feeds from Erie and someother places, but still got the same old network shows I wanted.... Networks are just that NBC/E....etc.... I don't see "local affiliates" I don't see affiliates at all. NPS could feed Podunkville East and Podunkville West for all I give a hoot. I tune in to NBC, ABC, CBS just like HBO or USA or Food Network.

Advertising.....:lol: :lol: Whats that....... oh that crud that interupts the shows.... thats what the remote is for FF or click to another channel and back.... I suggested just for grins that in MOVING to a true NETWORK system that they could remain advertising based ala USA, etc...... If the networks were smart they would go ad free ala HBO and then you really could see the benefits.

Its time to STOP RENEWING them. Its time to pitch the whole affiliate system and OTA broadcasting as a whole, video wise. Its not needed, its a waste of spectrum.

Is the NAB and the dinocasters going to fight this... YOU BET. They know their time is coming and its sooner rather than later. In 10 years we will be back to the same mess we are in now with NTSC to ATSC conversion but this time the deadline will be OTA Video broadcasting TERMINATION. Probably about 2020 is a good date to look for. 2007 would be better, but government can turn on a dime.

Its the 21st century, the genie is out of the bottle and DBS and crapble are the delivery means for video now. There is just no rational need for affiliates. In the
50's to mid 70's OTA serverd a purpose till crable came along. Now that you can say you either get DBS or crapble for video service they are not needed. Technology has caught up to offer an effective DBS service v. the older sat systems then it can and is being used my a larger audience, about 25 mil subs between the two. Yet were still trying to deliver 8 channels in the most ineffective means possible.

Its time to take back the airwaves and put the NAB bully back in its place, OUT OF BUSINESS!

 

[TNGTony]

Same old argument. Same result.

As to new markets added "due to the DNS decision". This is a list of all the local markets added in 2006.

http://ekb.dbstalk.com/sdlocalbydate.htm#Date

165 Baton Rouge, LA 6/14/2006
165 Lafayette, LA 6/14/2006
165 Corpus Christi, TX 6/14/2006
168 Rochester, MN / Mason City, IA / Austin, MN 9/20/2006
---Proposed settlement with broadcasters floated
168 Odessa / Midland, TX 9/20/2006
170 Beaumont/Port Arthur, TX 10/11/2006
---Proposed settlement denied
171 Palm Springs, CA 11/1/2006
172 Dothan, AL 11/22/2006
173 Bangor, ME 11/29/2006
173 Butte / Bozeman, MT 11/29/2006

See ya
Tony

 

[TNGTony]

Local Markets still not served by Dish Network (Alphabetically)
http://ekb.dbstalk.com/sdlocaldetail.htm

Alexandria, LA Market # 179
--NBC, ABC, PBS (Fox station claims the market but is actually licensed to Jackson MS market)

Alpena, MI Market # 208
--CBS, PBS (repeater of a station already on Dish)

Bend, OR Market # 194
--NBC, Fox, PBS (repeater of station already on Dish)

Biloxi/Gulfport, MS Market # 160 (Market completed if combined with adjacent Hattiesburg market)
--ABC, Fox, PBS (Repeater of station already AVAILABLE to that market on Dish)

Binghamton, NY Market # 157
--ABC, CBS, NBC(LP), Fox, PBS, MyTV(LP)

Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV Market # 150
--ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS (repeater of station already on Dish), Ind

Bowling Green, KY Market # 183
--ABC NBC, PBS (College station), PBS (repeater of station already on Dish)

Columbus, GA Market # 128
--ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CW, PBS/APT (repeater of station already AVAILABE to AL residents), PBS/GPT (repeater of station already AVAILABLE to GA residents)

Elmira, NY Market # 173
ABC, NBC, Fox. New PBS station to come on the air this year is a repeater of Binghamton PBS.

Eureka, CA Market # 193
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS

Glendive, MT Market # 210
CBS

Greenwood/Greenville, MS Market # 184
ABC, CBS, PBS (Repeater of station already AVAILABLE to MS residents)

Harrisonburg, VA
ABC, Fox, PBS (all three are already uplinked but not available to subscribers)

Hattiesburg/Laurel, MS Market # 165 (market completed if combined with adjacent Biloxi market)
NBC, CBS

Helena MT Market # 206
ABC, CBS, NBC, CW (Most if not all of these stations are repeaters with local news)

Jackson, TN Market # 174
ABC, Fox, PBS

Jonesgoro, AR Market # 180
ABC, PBS (Repeater of station already AVAILABLE to AR residents), Ind

Lafayette, IN Market # 188
CBS

Lake Charles, LA Market # 175
NBC, Fox, PBS (repeater of station already on dish)

Laredo, TX Market # 187
CBS, NBC, Univision (plus mexican stations Ind, Televisa, Azteca 13, Azteca 7, Televisa 9, Televisa 5)

Lima, OH Market # 196
ABC(LP), NBC, CBS (LP), Fox(LP), Ind.

Mankato, MN Market # 200
CBS

Marquette, MI Market # 178
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS

North Platte, NE Market # 209
NBC, PBS (repeater of station already on Dish)

Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO Market # 199
ABC, Fox (Originally Dish uplinked and tried to add the ABC to the Quincy market but it never became available)

Parkersburg, WV Market # 189
NBC

Presque Isle, ME Market # 204
CBS, PBS (Plus Canadian Stations CBC, TVA, SRC, TQS)

St. Joseph, MO Market # 201
ABC, TBN (repeater of network already AVAILABLE on Dish)

Salisbury, MD Market # 148
ABC, CBS, PBS (Delaware), PBS (Maryland-repeater of station already available on Dish)

Springfield/Holyoak, MA Market # 109
ABC, CBS(LP), NBC, PBS, Telemundo(LP)

Utica, NY Market # 169
ABC, NBC, Fox, MyTV(LP)

Victoria, TX Market # 205
ABC, Fox, (Plus LP stations MyTV, Telemundo, Univision, Azteca America)

Virgin Islands (US) Market # unranked
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CW, PBS (CBS and NBC stations are already uplinked and available to Puerto Rico subscribers)

Watertown, NY Market # 176
ABC, CBS, Fox(LP), PBS (Plus Canadian stations CBC, SRC, TVO)

Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH Market # 155
CBS, NBC, PBS

Wilmington, NC Market # 136
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS (repeater of station already available on Dish)

Yuma, AZ/El Centro, CA Market # 167
ABC (DT2), CBS, NBC, Fox, Telefutura, Univision (Plus Mexican stations Azteca 7, Azteca 13, Televisa 2, Televisa 5, Televisa 9, CNI)

Zanesville, OH Market # 203
NBC

 

[Slamminc11]

Local Markets still not served by Dish Network (Alphabetically)
http://ekb.dbstalk.com/sdlocaldetail.htm

Alexandria, LA
--NBC, ABC, PBS (Fox station claims the market but is actually licensed to Jackson MS market)

Alpena, MI
--CBS, PBS (repeater of a station already on Dish)

Bend, OR
--NBC, Fox, PBS (repeater of station already on Dish)

Biloxi/Gulfport, MS (Market completed if combined with adjacent Hattiesburg market)
--ABC, Fox, PBS (Repeater of station already AVAILABLE to that market on Dish)

Binghamton, NY
--ABC, CBS, NBC(LP), Fox, PBS, MyTV(LP)

Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV
--ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS (repeater of station already on Dish), Ind

Bowling Green, KY
--ABC NBC, PBS (College station), PBS (repeater of station already on Dish)

Columbus, GA
--ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CW, PBS/APT (repeater of station already AVAILABE to AL residents), PBS/GPT (repeater of station already AVAILABLE to GA residents)

Elmira, NY
ABC, NBC, Fox. New PBS station to come on the air this year is a repeater of Binghamton PBS.

Eureka, CA
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS

Glendive, MT
CBS

Greenwood/Greenville, MS
ABC, CBS, PBS (Repeater of station already AVAILABLE to MS residents)

Harrisonburg, VA
ABC, Fox, PBS (all three are already uplinked but not available to subscribers)

Hattiesburg/Laurel, MS (market completed if combined with adjacent Biloxi market)
NBC, CBS

Helena MT
ABC, CBS, NBC, CW (Most if not all of these stations are repeaters with local news)

Jackson, TN
ABC, Fox, PBS

Jonesgoro, AR
ABC, PBS (Repeater of station already AVAILABLE to AR residents), Ind

Lafayette, IN
CBS

Lake Charles, LA
NBC, Fox, PBS (repeater of station already on dish)

Laredo, TX
CBS, NBC, Univision (plus mexican stations Ind, Televisa, Azteca 13, Azteca 7, Televisa 9, Televisa 5)

Lima, OH
ABC(LP), NBC, CBS (LP), Fox(LP), Ind.

Mankato, MN
CBS

Marquette, MI
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS

North Platte, NE
NBC, PBS (repeater of station already on Dish)

Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO
ABC, Fox (Originally Dish uplinked and tried to add the ABC to the Quincy market but it never became available)

Parkersburg, WV
NBC

Presque Isle, ME
CBS, PBS (Plus Canadian Stations CBC, TVA, SRC, TQS)

St. Joseph, MO
ABC, TBN (repeater of network already AVAILABLE on Dish)

Salisbury, MD
ABC, CBS, PBS (Delaware), PBS (Maryland-repeater of station already available on Dish)

Springfield/Holyoak, MA
ABC, CBS(LP), NBC, PBS, Telemundo(LP)

Utica, NY
ABC, NBC, Fox, MyTV(LP)

Victoria, TX
ABC, Fox, (Plus LP stations MyTV, Telemundo, Univision, Azteca America)

Virgin Islands (US)
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CW, PBS (CBS and NBC stations are already uplinked and available to Puerto Rico subscribers)

Watertown, NY
ABC, CBS, Fox(LP), PBS (Plus Canadian stations CBC, SRC, TVO)

Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH
CBS, NBC, PBS

Wilmington, NC
ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS (repeater of station already available on Dish)

Yuma, AZ/El Centro, CA
ABC (DT2), CBS, NBC, Fox, Telefutura, Univision (Plus Mexican stations Azteca 7, Azteca 13, Televisa 2, Televisa 5, Televisa 9, CNI)

Zanesville, OH
NBC

So, according to this, Dish has all but what, 38 locals? Wonder how that compares to Direct?

 

[TNGTony]

Did you HAVE to quote the ENTIRE message for the one line reply?

To answer your question... Yes if you count the USVI, 37 if you don't.

 

[James Long]

So, according to this, Dish has all but what, 38 locals? Wonder how that compares to Direct?

DirecTV claims 142 markets. E* has 174. That's a difference of 32.

 

[audrab]

Ok. I agree with you in principle, however, the next time you get a blizzzard or Tornado or other nasty weather or bio-harzard castastrophe whatever in your area, where do you go for that critical information? Not everyone has NOAA weather radios or local radio that can address that part.

 

[Nick]

Did you HAVE to quote the ENTIRE message for the one line reply?

I have asked for a "REPLY"button at the bottom of each post to minimize the
problem of repetitive replies with long quotes. In another thread, a long post
was quoted some FOUR times, adding at least EIGHT additional, redundant
and unnecessary screen "pages" to the overall length of that thread.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=74329

 

[James Long]

Please stay on topic. Thanks.