You NEED a slimline 3. That's the new dish that only looks at the 99/101/103 satellites. Just setting up a regular slimline 5 as if it were a slimline 3 will not have the same effect, because the slimline 5 has the guide data on 101 and 119, which means if you can't see 119, you will not get guide data when you are watching channels from 103 (where all the new HD channels are) for a long period of time. (You will get the programming OK). The Slimline 3 gets over this by sending the guide data from 101 along with the 103 signals.barkster99 said:
Installer on-site now. "No 119/110. Boss said to install like Slimline 3"
Installer's up on my roof as we speak (as I write?). Says "I can't get 119/110 (due to trees?). Boss said to install like Slimline 3." Might as well have been speaking Chinese to me. I asked what that means. He says "we'll cross our fingers we get the programming we should".
Thanks for any comments. Suspect I'll have my own answers very soon.
Thanks for any comments. Suspect I'll have my own answers very soon.
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See if they can obtain a Slimline 3 for you ASAP.
Meanwhile, just remember to "park" your HR20 on an SD (101 satellite) channel every night. You'll miss some last minute Guide updates, but it should be generally OK. You may need to tune to two successive SD channels every night, because I don't think we've every figured out whether the HR's receive 101 Guide data from either tuner or just tuner 1. Tuning to two successive, different SD channels will insure that both tuners are tuned to the 101 satellite.
Meanwhile, just remember to "park" your HR20 on an SD (101 satellite) channel every night. You'll miss some last minute Guide updates, but it should be generally OK. You may need to tune to two successive SD channels every night, because I don't think we've every figured out whether the HR's receive 101 Guide data from either tuner or just tuner 1. Tuning to two successive, different SD channels will insure that both tuners are tuned to the 101 satellite.
Ok, bear with me. I'm a real novice at this stuff and appreciate your patience and help.
As noted above, tech installed Slimline 5 as if it were Slimline 3 (not sure what that means). Browsing and viewing channels in Guide, it looks like everything's there and comes in ok. (I'm getting "searching for signal" or heavy pixelation on the double-digit HD channels but I don't think I care since they're duplicated as triple-digit channels elsewhere. Do I?)
I tried to record a couple programs on Sleuth channel (non-HD?) during the night. When I turned on TV this morning, the TV was tuned to Sleuth with a "searching for signal" message. I brought up Guide, tried a different channel and it came up fine. Then went back to Sleuth and it was fine too, no longer "searching".
Needless to say, the programs I attempted to record display in List but there's nothing there.
If it matters, I was tuned to local OTA HD (through HR20) before turning off and going to bed.
Is this related to the original 110/119, Slimline5/Slimline3 problem? The tech also said they had some Slimline 3 dishes in the warehouse but "they hadn't been released yet".
Thanks for any help. Think I'll get on the horn with D* when I get home tonight. Should be fun.
As noted above, tech installed Slimline 5 as if it were Slimline 3 (not sure what that means). Browsing and viewing channels in Guide, it looks like everything's there and comes in ok. (I'm getting "searching for signal" or heavy pixelation on the double-digit HD channels but I don't think I care since they're duplicated as triple-digit channels elsewhere. Do I?)
I tried to record a couple programs on Sleuth channel (non-HD?) during the night. When I turned on TV this morning, the TV was tuned to Sleuth with a "searching for signal" message. I brought up Guide, tried a different channel and it came up fine. Then went back to Sleuth and it was fine too, no longer "searching".
Needless to say, the programs I attempted to record display in List but there's nothing there.
If it matters, I was tuned to local OTA HD (through HR20) before turning off and going to bed.
Is this related to the original 110/119, Slimline5/Slimline3 problem? The tech also said they had some Slimline 3 dishes in the warehouse but "they hadn't been released yet".
Thanks for any help. Think I'll get on the horn with D* when I get home tonight. Should be fun.
It's a little of a complicated question. The short answer is you can still get all of your guide data when tuned to a channel coming from 99 or 101 but if you are tuned to 103/110/119 for too long you may end up missing some guide data. You can try an avoid problems by making sure the tuner ends up on a channel from 99 or 101. There really isn't anything most people need on 110/119 anymore which is why the slimline 3 was designed. To avoid the guide data problem the slimline 3 puts 101 in place of 110/119 in the stack plan. A slimline5 with out LOS won't do that. I have been working with out any major issues with out LOS on 119 with a SL5 for a couple months but I'm still looking to resolve the issue by getting either a swm or SL3.
The Double Digit hd channels are the old MPeg2 channels coming from 110 or 119 and yes the 200's versions are the new mpeg4 version which should be higher quality and won't have your LOS issues. Not sure what happened with your recordings and can't really say if thats related to the los issues with 110/119 and guide data.
If you want more details check http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=133958
The Double Digit hd channels are the old MPeg2 channels coming from 110 or 119 and yes the 200's versions are the new mpeg4 version which should be higher quality and won't have your LOS issues. Not sure what happened with your recordings and can't really say if thats related to the los issues with 110/119 and guide data.
If you want more details check http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=133958
What channels are on what satellites? I searched the forums for some kind of map but... don't see it.evan_s said:...if you are tuned to 103/110/119 for too long you may end up missing some guide data. You can try an avoid problems by making sure the tuner ends up on a channel from 99 or 101.
Thanks again.
at the moment....barkster99 said:What channels are on what satellites? I searched the forums for some kind of map but... don't see it.
Thanks again.
Traditional mainstream programming SD channels are all on 101
New (as in starting last fall) HD channels are on 103c (food, HGTV, CNN, Weather, NatGeo, Speed.....) MPEG-4
Newly relocated "legacy" HD channels are on the brand new 99c (ESPNs, HDnet, UHD, TNT.....) satellite. These MPEG-4 versions have 3 digits like 206, 259, 306...). (The MPEG-2 legacy versions are still located on the 110 and 119 birds with the 70's channel numbers)
Your local HDs come from either 99s or 103s.
101 is easy since it's going to be all the SD content. 99 is currently mostly the mirrors of the old mpeg2 channels you where having problems with. SD content is going to be your safest bet if you are looking for a channel to tune to or record to avoid issues since the HD channels can move from 99 to 103 or vise-versa almost anytime directv wants to.
Couldn't they install the Slimline 5 and just tell the receiver it's a Slimline 3?
No because the switch built into the SL3 behaves differently than the switch in the SL5.msmith said:Couldn't they install the Slimline 5 and just tell the receiver it's a Slimline 3?
The SL5 passes (stacks) 99 Ka (hi and lo) origniating material along with 101 Ku material. It stacks 103 Ka (hi and lo) along with 110/119 Ku.
The SL3 passes 101 all the time with either 99 or 103.
The receiver is expecting different behavior from the SL3 and SL5.
The SL3 passes 101 all the time with either 99 or 103.
The receiver is expecting different behavior from the SL3 and SL5.
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