Are you referring to channels 80 - 89? Those are the HD DNS feeds (distant networks). They are there for those D* subscribers that are not able to get their locals in HD yet either because their city has not gone MPEG4 yet or their HD receiver is not MPEG4 compatible. Some subscribers require waivers from their local broadcast channels in order to be allowed to receive those channels.
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Can anyone explain why D* has all the east and west major networks but you cant get any of them? Why are they even there? How do you get them? I apologize in advance for being very newb-ish....
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Of course, folks who live in the LA and NY DMA are eligable to receive them.
Yes, those are the channels I am referring to. Can you explain a bit more? I guess I have to wait until D* beams me the locals? Is it an ordeal to get a waiver? How does it all work?PoitNarf said:Are you referring to channels 80 - 89? Those are the HD DNS feeds (distant networks). They are there for those D* subscribers that are not able to get their locals in HD yet either because their city has not gone MPEG4 yet or their HD receiver is not MPEG4 compatible. Some subscribers require waivers from their local broadcast channels in order to be allowed to receive those channels.
Thanks in advance....
Yes, I get my locals in MPEG2 SD, MPEG2 HD, MPEG4 HD, and OTA HD. Just a tiny bit excessive.. :lol:litzdog911 said:Of course, folks who live in the LA and NY DMA are eligable to receive them.
How far away are you form your local broadcasing stations? (ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX). If you can recieve your local channels via OTA, then you probably won't get waivers.Pizzle_Wizzle said:Yes, those are the channels I am referring to. Can you explain a bit more? I guess I have to wait until D* beams me the locals? Is it an ordeal to get a waiver? How does it all work?
Thanks in advance....
So your locals are not in MPEG4 yet? I don't have much info on the waiver stuff, I've never had to deal with it. I'm sure others here can give you some better info on that.Pizzle_Wizzle said:Yes, those are the channels I am referring to. Can you explain a bit more? I guess I have to wait until D* beams me the locals? Is it an ordeal to get a waiver? How does it all work?
Thanks in advance....
Before the advent of the HR20 and the ability to get local HD from the satellite and OTA, I asked DirecTV to hook me up to the NY networks. They handled getting the waivers for me. IIRC, it took 4-6 weeks...Pizzle_Wizzle said:Yes, those are the channels I am referring to. Can you explain a bit more? I guess I have to wait until D* beams me the locals? Is it an ordeal to get a waiver? How does it all work?
Thanks in advance....
The FCC, whose salaries you pay, guarantees market exclusivity to local broadcasters unless each broadcaster signs a waiver. This is so your ABC affiliate in a small market can sell advertising. The idea is, the quality of the production at a major market affiliate (LA, NY, Chicago, you get the idea) is better than that of a station from Elmira or Sioux City. In order for these small stations to serve the public good (part of their charter from the FCC is to serve the public good, that's why they are allowed to use the airwaves which you as an American own) they have to sell advertising. No one would buy advertising from them if they thought everyone was watching the LA station.Pizzle_Wizzle said:Can anyone explain why D* has all the east and west major networks but you cant get any of them? Why are they even there? How do you get them? I apologize in advance for being very newb-ish....
For areas which are not covered by a network affiliate, or the network affiliate has no carriage on a cable or satellite system, the Telecommunications act of 1996 allows the cable or satellite carrier to carry a distant network feed as long as everyone (the subscriber, the broadcast licencee and the provider) agrees to it.
D* has said that they are going to discontinue distant network service (the LA and NY stations for those who aren't in LA or NY) as soon as they have enough local markets covered. At that point it would be hard for them to convince the local affiliates to grant the waivers.
That's the way I seem to remember it from college, anyway.
And from my understanding, that may occur as soon as the end of next year; but I don't believe anyone knows when for sure.lamontcranston said:D* has said that they are going to discontinue distant network service (the LA and NY stations for those who aren't in LA or NY) as soon as they have enough local markets covered.
And not to mention, it takes an act of God to get a waiver. Believe me, I tried, and it never happened. Had to wait a lonnnnggggg time for DTV to get my locals turned on in my area.
O.K. To make this real easy to understand -
If you can put up an antenna to receive your local channels, you won't get a waiver so DirecTV can turn on channels 80-86.
Man, I should have gotten into the Antenna Business a few months back!:lol:
If you can put up an antenna to receive your local channels, you won't get a waiver so DirecTV can turn on channels 80-86.
Man, I should have gotten into the Antenna Business a few months back!:lol:
So, I get my local channels in both SD and HD off the dish. No antenna. I think a long time ago I did the waiver thing, but really don't remember. Is it because I live in a major market (wash. DC)?DaHound said:O.K. To make this real easy to understand -
If you can put up an antenna to receive your local channels, you won't get a waiver so DirecTV can turn on channels 80-86.
Man, I should have gotten into the Antenna Business a few months back!:lol:
Live in LA, but got waivers about 8 years ago for East Coast Fox and CBS based on my wife in the tv advertising business. Last month my Fox distant disappeared "due to an FCC audit" according to DirecTV, because LA has its locals carried. No idea why they decided to do it now, but....
One additional fact: If you have your receiver permanently in a recreational vehicle, you will qualify for DNS due to the "RV Waiver" process. You must sign a form that includes the RV registration information and certify that it will be used in an RV. You pay extra, but you can get the East and West coast feeds anywhere you camp.
Yes, but the paying extra is actually the entire cost of a subscription. So you don'tNoGoSlo said:One additional fact: If you have your receiver permanently in a recreational vehicle, you will qualify for DNS due to the "RV Waiver" process. You must sign a form that includes the RV registration information and certify that it will be used in an RV. You pay extra, but you can get the East and West coast feeds anywhere you camp.
pay the mirror fee, you pay the entire cost of a monthly subscription.
I have waivers to receive HD-DNS-West for some time and have a HR10.
If I add a HR20 to the household account, will Direct turn off the DNS channels on the HR10 since I could get locals on the HR20?
Or will I be lucky and get DNS on HR10 and local HD on HR20?
If I add a HR20 to the household account, will Direct turn off the DNS channels on the HR10 since I could get locals on the HR20?
Or will I be lucky and get DNS on HR10 and local HD on HR20?
I get NBC-West HD on both receivers as NBC owns the local affiliate. So, there's a good chance you'll still receive them.duffin said:I have waivers to receive HD-DNS-West for some time and have a HR10.
If I add a HR20 to the household account, will Direct turn off the DNS channels on the HR10 since I could get locals on the HR20?
Or will I be lucky and get DNS on HR10 and local HD on HR20?
Where did you purchase your HR20? Did you activate through the normal 800# or call customer retention?carlsbad_bolt_fan said:I get NBC-West HD on both receivers as NBC owns the local affiliate. So, there's a good chance you'll still receive them.
Small points of order:lamontcranston said:The FCC, whose salaries you pay, guarantees market exclusivity to local broadcasters unless each broadcaster signs a waiver.
It is copyright law that keeps exclusivity for local affiliates and their networks. It is the contract between the affiliate and the network that determines exclusivity.
It is Congress and the President, not the FCC, which created bills and passed laws to allow out-of-market networks and local-into-local service on satellite.
If Congress did nothing, there wouldn't be any distant or local programming on satellite at all.
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