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Monopoles and grounding Qs???

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I bought material to do the pole in a bucket of cement mount. I have a 1 1/4" pole which is a 1 5/8" on outer side and then learned that they now do 2" on outside so bought a converter on ebay for that. I don't know how the monopole works/grounding the satellite works. My apartment is on the second floor of the building and I have a relatively small balcony (8x3 or so) I am not allowed to have the installer do any drilling. Will the installer have the monopole with him? Would that require drilling? I am going to buy some flat RG6 cable to put that under the door to the balcony. Will the installer have cable to run from the satellite to the flat cable and then from flat cable inside to the TVs? Right now I have a 5 gallon bucket and 80 pounds of quick drying cement/ 5 or 3 ft pole / hacksaw and level. (hacksaw to make notches in bottom I read so the pole won't be able to slide around in the cement) I know I need the top of the pole to be level. Is there anything else I could do in order to be ready for their install? I plan to already have the pole set in the cement way before he gets there.
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Monopoles aren't used with a pole mount.
Cables will be supplied as needed.
Grounding would need a ground point to connect to and "I'd guess" there isn't any.
kevinm34232 said:
A tripod would be easier.
I already bought the supplies and can't even drill into the balconey so unless the tripod is really really heavy I don't see that as an option. I'm hoping a 5 gallon bucket of cement is enough to hold the satellite in place.
If you're in an apartment where you can't drill, you'll need some of these sections of flat cable. Most installers aren't allowed to carry these anymore. You will need one for every line that is to be ran in (dvr's = 2 lines). A lot of HSP's also won't allow bucket mounts anymore as well. If the tech isn't allowed to hook you up, go DIY.
Johnnie5000 said:
If you're in an apartment where you can't drill, you'll need some of these sections of flat cable. Most installers aren't allowed to carry these anymore. You will need one for every line that is to be ran in (dvr's = 2 lines). A lot of HSP's also won't allow bucket mounts anymore as well. If the tech isn't allowed to hook you up, go DIY.
If he won't allow for a bucket mount is there any way he could do it without drilling? I don't see how a well done bucket mount could be any more dangerous than another type of mounting. My balconey has railing so I can bungie it to the rails to add even more support than the 100+ pounds of concrete.
Jared701 said:
If he won't allow for a bucket mount is there any way he could do it without drilling? I don't see how a well done bucket mount could be any more dangerous than another type of mounting. My balconey has railing so I can bungie it to the rails to add even more support than the 100+ pounds of concrete.
Its not so much a danger as it is a pain in the ass on the constant reallignments needed. The HSPs don't allow them because they are repeat service calls waiting to happen. I'm trying something similar to the rail mounts we use, I'll post it when I do.
Bucket mounts are discouraged for several reasons. Safety is one, but dish alignment is another. Because you can't secure a bucket of cement, a small bump or a strong gust of wind can move your dish, and your HD signals will be GONE. The Ka-band frequencies that the HD signals use come in a much narrower beam and the dish must be much more accurately aimed in order to receive those signals. Tiny amounts of dish movement that didn't phase a standard-def dish cause big trouble for the HD dish.

If you proceed with the install, know going in that YOU will need to learn how to fine-tune the dish, and accept that this will need to be done any time someone bumps that dish or anytime there's a wind storm. It isn't hard to do if you are at all mechanically inclined, but what you should NOT do is keep calling DirecTV to have installers come back (on their dime) to realign your dish. Again, lots of installers will refuse the install to begin with, because they know that most customers will bump their dish out of alignment the first week and then demand a tech. If you can get them to do it, know that YOU need to take responsibility for the dish alignment due to your non-standard install.
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They make tri-pods that you can anchor to concrete blocks. You can put a thin rubber mat under it to prevent damage to the floor. This is much more sturdy, and alot less likely to move on you. And, like Jonnie5000 stated, rail mounts are also an option, and even better than a tri-pod.

Mastec employees are provided with flat cables for installs, btw.
What I do in situations like that (provided the customer is willing to pay) is cut a piece of plywood, bolt a tripod to the plywood, and then add cinder blocks on top of the plywood to keep it from moving. With 250 lbs. of ballast spread out over a much larger surface area, moving the dish is difficult at best, and more than enough to stand up to all but hurricane winds.
IIP said:
What I do in situations like that (provided the customer is willing to pay) is cut a piece of plywood, bolt a tripod to the plywood, and then add cinder blocks on top of the plywood to keep it from moving. With 250 lbs. of ballast spread out over a much larger surface area, moving the dish is difficult at best, and more than enough to stand up to all but hurricane winds.
so I do have options to do a satellite install without having it attached to the house other than the bucket on concrete idea. Thanks guys. I was comparing it to the basketball goal I had growing up; it was only 3-4 ft if not less in concrete and no matter what you did to it it would not move. Do people just not use enough concrete with the concrete int he bucket idea? I was trying to get at least 100 lbs of concrete and then even bungie cord that a few times to the railing to try to sturdy it more.
The problem is that the bucket has only a small amount of surface area, made of "slippery" plastic/nylon, so even with a lot of weight, it isn't difficult to move, or especially, to rotate. And, there's only so much concrete you can get into a bucket.

My method above gives you 5-6 times the surface area or more, and wood won't slide across concrete as easily as a plastic bucket, nor will it twist/rotate.

Of course, it takes more work to make, and takes up more space, but that's the price of having it WORK over the long term.
IIP said:
The problem is that the bucket has only a small amount of surface area, made of "slippery" plastic/nylon, so even with a lot of weight, it isn't difficult to move, or especially, to rotate. And, there's only so much concrete you can get into a bucket.

My method above gives you 5-6 times the surface area or more, and wood won't slide across concrete as easily as a plastic bucket, nor will it twist/rotate.

Of course, it takes more work to make, and takes up more space, but that's the price of having it WORK over the long term.
I already have over 100 lbs of cinder blocks laying around my apartment right now that I'm not using. How big of piece of wood would I need for the base the the tripod is mounted onto? How thick does it need to be in order for the screws to not go through it? Would I need to buy my own tripod in advance or do installers normally carry those as a routine install? I'm fine buying all the parts to do it this way; I'm just not sure exactly what I need in order to do it. Also, my railing for the balconey is about 3 ft tall and I'd need to have the satellite right next to/above one of the rails in order to do the correct angle to the satellites without the building blocking (balconey is right by the corner of the building) are the tripods + the width of the board(s) I'm using under them going to be at least 36"? I honestly don't care how I mount this as long as I don't piss off the landlord by putting it on the building and make sure it works.

IIP, my balconey is made out of wood, both bottom and the railings. I don't know if that makes any difference for types of mounts.
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If the railing is sturdy enough, rail mount would be your best option. If you go with the tri-pod, just make sure you get one with a 2" mast. Self-tapping a 2" stub onto a smaller mast may work, but it's just another way for something to go wrong.
a tripod like this then? http://www.solidsignal.tv/prod_display.asp?PROD=RON1011 what dimensions does the wood need to be in order to fit this tripod on also allowing space for cinder blocks? Also, how thick must the wood be for the screws to go into it all the way?
I went ahead and got that mount along with 6 flat rg6 connectors (4 to get into building and 2 to bypass bedroom door to get to livingroom.

Could anyone tell me approximately what dimensions I should get for the wood to insure stability? (please keep in mine the balconey is approximately 8'x3' and and the satellite must be mounted in one of the corners)
3' square or bigger (as you like) should be fine.
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