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Microsoft has released details of the changes being made in Windows Product Activation (WPA) with WinXP Service Pack 1. As expected, SP1 will fail to install if either of "two well-known pirated product keys" has previously been used to activate the system, and such systems will also be denied access to Windows Update. But the changes will have a far wider impact than this, as Microsoft appears to be trying to cover all currently known holes in WPA security.

Activations taking place after SP1 has been applied (largely on new systems, one presumes) will include the product key in the installation ID. According to Allen Nieman, lead technical product manager i/c WPA, the full key will be sent to Microsoft in an internet activation, while telephone activations will include a hash value of the key, " in order to limit the increase in size of the telephone Installation ID." Nieman says "we should have included this in the Installation ID from the beginning," and now they have.

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These details were released quite awhile ago... I find it odd that it just makes the news now. I think Microsoft is trying to make this known to as few as possible while maintaining they notified the public about it.
 

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I guess all them piraters are screwed and will have to go out and buy a copy. Gates finally beat them. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait. No, he's making them spend the 10 minutes to download a XP cd key gen, and change their CD keys.

Or they will go out and get a cracked copy of the service pack?

All MS has done is given the hacking community a project of the week. This will decrease pirating by maybe 1%, if that. Most people who actually have the corporate version (the one where you don't need to call MS and activate), know how to change a CD key...

I'd call it a valiant attempt, but really, it's not even.
 

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"Oh, wait. No, he's making them spend the 10 minutes to download a XP cd key gen, and change their CD keys."

One, due to the complexity of the XP key systen, once you get the keygen it takes 15mins-1hr to generate a valid key. But that's not the point. Now the key is tied to activation and Windows Update. That means in addition to XP checking the key is valid, XP now sends the key to Microsoft when activating and MS checks it against the database of keys they created. That's not enough? For people using the corporate or somehow crack the new activation... It also sends the key to Microsoft to reach Windows Update and verifys it.
 

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Now the key is tied to activation and Windows Update.
What if the user never performs a windows update? I've only done a Windows update once in 6 years and that was for IE/OE 6.
 

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Well that not quite true, it only checks to see if you have a pirated key, not who you are. Again it is anonymous, but if you have an illegal key, then you couldn't update. Average users don't have anything to worry about. Most likely this will reduce the cost of software since less pirated copies will be out there.
 

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"Again it is anonymous"

WRONG! It is NOT anonymous. It WAS anonymous. Read Microsoft's info on how the new system works and tell me you consider that anonymous:) Not truly. They now know exactly what copy of Windows you are using, and therefore they may know (possibly, I'm not sure how good Microsoft's records are) the exact store you bought it in and about when you bought it. Now, I'm not sure if MS keeps those records yet, but under the new system they certainly have the ability to.
 

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Microsoft says they won't use it to identify you. I guess its down to if you trust Microsoft. I'd say they'd be careful since so many people are watching. Again though, you'd only care if you had an illegal copy. If you copy is legit, then whats the problem. If you don't trust Microsoft, why would you use XP anyway. Again, RedHat is for you. (Plus you can use GIMP in its native format :D)
 

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"If you don't trust Microsoft, why would you use XP anyway."

Three reasons:

My nice shiny ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 7500's video features are far more useful in Windows

My modem only works in Windows (my modem is on my replace list when I can afford a new one)

Games!

- Currently, my setup is a dual boot with Windows XP Pro and Lycoris Desktop/LX Amethyst Update 2 (just installed today replacing Mandrake 8.1). Lycoris Desktop/LX however isn't really my cup of tea (though it looks GREAT for newbies). I'm thinking of buying SuSE 8.0 when I get my Linux compatible modem:) When I can afford a new modem, Windows will be exclusively for video editing and games.
 

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Thanks:)

PS. For any Linux fans reading this can you suggest a distro? I need something which:

1.) WORKS well, few broken features out of the box (don't mind it being hard to setup. I mind installing 500MB of useless packages as part of a default install)

2.) Doesn't look too much like XP (my main complaint with Lycoris :) )

3.) Something fun to use and easy to use on a daily basis (don't mind difficulty of setup)
 

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" I've decided I'm a RedHat man since that is what we use at work. KDE all the way."

That kinda contradicts itself in a way:) Red Hat used to be strong opposed to KDE (back in the days of RH6). Mandrake started as "RedHat with KDE and pentium enhanced kernel".
 

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I know, ain't it great:) I'm a huge Linux fan. Used it most of the time on class at high school. Very nice OS. Rock solid, very user-friendly (okay, maybe the VERY isn't the most true thing. But neither is Windows. MacOSX is for people who need a truly user friendly system). What's not to like about Linux except support? And unless people start using it, it won't be better supported. Yes, I paid lots of money for XP and I'd rather use an OS I can get for free (or cheap for a boxed set which I'll probably do soon). I bet Bill Gates has a hard time understanding that one:) That people prefer a free system to his mega expensive one - for reasons other than cost!

Also, it should be noted that the user friendliness of Linux varies a lot. Lycoris Desktop/LX is far more user-friendly that Windows. Mandrake is about the same. Slackware isn't :)
 

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If you don't trust Microsoft
I may be the only one out there but I do trust Microsoft, I don't like the let's tie IE into Windows and make it impossable to uninstall, idea, but since Communicator is RIP, that doesn't bother me much anymore. At the TiVoForums there was a thread about going entirely MS free, I could never do it.
 
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