[montereywill]

I have a current SWiM install with the 5-LNB dish, and a single SWS8 splitter with 4 HR-24 DVRs installed. I have my hose wired for a fifth HR-24, and I have both Ethernet and a cable for ota run to each location. I have MRV enabled as well.

How should I hook up all the receivers so that I have DirecTV, ota, and internet access at each of the five locations? I already own a SWM8, and a SWM16. Do I need any additional hardware other than the AM-21s, and is this configuration possible with SWiM? Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks In Advance,
Will

 

[veryoldschool]

I have a current SWiM install with the 5-LNB dish, and a single SWS8 splitter with 4 HR-24 DVRs installed. I have my hose wired for a fifth HR-24, and I have both Ethernet and a cable for ota run to each location. I have MRV enabled as well.

How should I hook up all the receivers so that I have DirecTV, ota, and internet access at each of the five locations? I already own a SWM8, and a SWM16. Do I need any additional hardware other than the AM-21s, and is this configuration possible with SWiM? Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks In Advance,
Will

I haven't see too many hoses wired before [sorry, but... :lol:]
So you'll have 5 HR24s, and need to use your SWiM-16.
OTA should be done on a separate coax, so you can use the internal DECAs for MRV.

 

[PokerJoker]

You weren't specific. Is your present LNB a SWM type? With one cable? If so, you are at the maximum limit already with your 4 DVRs.

What you will need: A non-SWM LNB on the dish with 4 cables coming from it. You run all 4 of these (via a grounding block, hopefully) to your SWM16. The SWM16 has two SWM outputs. Each output supports 8 tuners, meaning that each output supports 4 DVRs. You could then hook your existing 8 way to one of those outputs, and run the other output directly to your new DVR. (Personally I would ditch the 8 way splitter and get 2 4-ways, one on each SWM output, and feed two DVRs from one and three from the other. Better load balance, higher signal level to the existing DVRs.)

Oh, and don't forget that the SWM16 needs a power inserter to work.

For networking, since you have all HR24s, you need no additional hardware to do a basic MRV via a DECA network, using the same coax that carries the SWM signal to each DVR. Do NOT connect anything at all to any of the HR24 Ethernet jacks!

However, this "basic DECA network" does not connect to the actual Internet, which is handy to have for PPVs, etc. To make that Internet connection you should add what D* calls a wired CCK (Cinema Connection Kit), which is an external DECA box (coax-to-ethernet adapter) that acts as a bridge to connect your DECA network to your home network and thus to the Internet. Plug one side of the CCK (coax) onto one of you unused splitter ports; plug the other side (ethernet) into a cable going to an open port on your home's router or switch.

Keith

 

[montereywill]

I really need to stop playing with my 'hose' before I go completely blind and spell everything wrong :grin:

Anyways, let me get this straight. First I install a SL5 lnb at the dish and run 4 wires + 1 ota wire to my distribution center. I run a separate splitter for the ota with homeruns to each receiver, and I connect the 4 lnb wires to the SWM16 with the power inserter (which I have). From there the SWM16 serves the 5 HR-24s leaving me with 6 tuners available which I could use for a HR-34. Then I connect an AM-21 to each receiver for the ota content.

Now I either use the DirecTV Cinema kit for the deca, or can I just forgo the DECA alltogether and use Ethernet at each receiver instead and still have the MRV feature, or is DECA a necessity for MRV?

Thanks,
Will

 

[veryoldschool]

I really need to stop playing with my 'hose' before I go completely blind and spell everything wrong :grin:

Anyways, let me get this straight. First I install a SL5 lnb at the dish and run 4 wires + 1 ota wire to my distribution center. I run a separate splitter for the ota with homeruns to each receiver, and I connect the 4 lnb wires to the SWM16 with the power inserter (which I have). From there the SWM16 serves the 5 HR-24s leaving me with 6 tuners available which I could use for a HR-34. Then I connect an AM-21 to each receiver for the ota content.

Now I either use the DirecTV Cinema kit for the deca, or can I just forgo the DECA alltogether and use Ethernet at each receiver instead and still have the MRV feature, or is DECA a necessity for MRV?

Thanks,
Will

You seem close here. While DECA isn't needed for MRV, you've already cabled it [the coax] and it works as well or better than ethernet.
Now remember the SWiM-16, has two outputs and you can only connect "up to" eight tuners on each, so don't think you can connect 10 on one side and have four free on the other side. The SWiM-16 is basically two SWM8s in one package, along with a crossover for the DECA to be shared.

 

[montereywill]

With the idea of simplicity (at least in my mind) could I achieve a 15 tuner setup if were to keep my single wire SWiM lnb at the dish like it is now, but split it first with a SWS-2 subsequently feeding two SWM8s; one SWM8 would feed 8 tuners/4xHR-24, and the second SWM8 would feed 1xHR-24 & a HR-34? I assume I would need to hook a CCK to each of the SW8s, and maintain the additional coax run to each receiver for the OTA and AM-21 connection. I only mention this in hopes that I can maintain a single-wire installation, and preserve the use of both tuners on each receiver. Let me know if this works



Thanks,
Will

 

[HoTat2]

With the idea of simplicity (at least in my mind) could I achieve a 15 tuner setup if were to keep my single wire SWiM lnb at the dish like it is now, but split it first with a SWS-2 subsequently feeding two SWM8s; one SWM8 would feed 8 tuners/4xHR-24, and the second SWM8 would feed 1xHR-24 & a HR-34? I assume I would need to hook a CCK to each of the SW8s, and maintain the additional coax run to each receiver for the OTA and AM-21 connection. I only mention this in hopes that I can maintain a single-wire installation, and preserve the use of both tuners on each receiver. Let me know if this works

Thanks,
Will

No, you cannot feed the output of a SWiMLNB to a SWiM-8 module (or a SWiM-16 for that matter).

The SWiM modules require four input lines (for HD service anyhow) from a conventional four output LNB (sometimes called a "legacy" LNB).

 

[carl6]

With the idea of simplicity (at least in my mind) could I achieve a 15 tuner setup if were to keep my single wire SWiM lnb at the dish like it is now, but split it first with a SWS-2 subsequently feeding two SWM8s; one SWM8 would feed 8 tuners/4xHR-24, and the second SWM8 would feed 1xHR-24 & a HR-34? I assume I would need to hook a CCK to each of the SW8s, and maintain the additional coax run to each receiver for the OTA and AM-21 connection. I only mention this in hopes that I can maintain a single-wire installation, and preserve the use of both tuners on each receiver. Let me know if this works

Thanks,
Will

No, but if you change the LNB to a 4-wire version, you could split that to two SWM8s in parallel (using four splitters). Each SWM8 would have to have a DECA or CCK connection to your LAN. This does not get you a single wire installation from the dish though. If you put up a second dish, then each dish could be SWM and feed up to 8 tuners. That gets you down to two coax, one from each dish, but puts a second dish up. Probably more objectionable than the additional coax.

 

[veryoldschool]

With the idea of simplicity (at least in my mind) could I achieve a 15 tuner setup if...

Thanks,
Will

As others have posted, you need the non SWiM LNB, but then you could use a SWiM-16 and connect a SWM8 to the legacy ports of the SWiM-16, use two CCKs to combine the DECA between the SWM8 & SWiM-16 "clouds" through a ethernet switch or your router.
This would give you up to 24 tuners.
I know someone who's been doing this with 2 SWiM-16s for a fairly long time without any problems.

 

[montereywill]

I created this little diagram to keep my thoughts straight. Tell me if I messed something up, or if this looks good to go.


Thanks,
Will

 

[cabletech]

With that drawing, you are showing a total of 3 tuners on each SWM8 and this will allow for up to 5 more tuners on each.

For what you are saying you wish to do, I belive you are on the right track.

Just remember that you will also need seperate cables to each location for the OTA.

 

[veryoldschool]

With that drawing, you are showing a total of 3 tuners on each SWM8 and this will allow for up to 5 more tuners on each.

Those are shown as DVRs so double that tuner count.

 

[Shades228]

You would need to move one of the HR24's to the other leg so you would have 4 HD DVRS (8 tuners) on one and 1 HD DVR and HMC on the other (7 tuners). The bottom SWM 8 has 9 tuners on it currently. You could get this to work if you rebooted them in a specific order every time but I wouldn't recommend it as you're limiting yourself without the need to. A SWM 16 would remove the need for the duplicate CCK or if you can run an ethernet cable to your HR34 you could remove the CCK as well.

 

[old7]

Those are shown as DVRs so double that tuner count.

On the lower SWiM-8 he shows 2 - HR24s and a HR34. 9 tuners are not going to work on a SWiM-8. Replace that with a SWiM-16 and you're good to go.

 

[veryoldschool]

On the lower SWiM-8 he shows 2 - HR24s and a HR34. 9 tuners are not going to work on a SWiM-8. Replace that with a SWiM-16 and you're good to go.

Even I can't count. :lol:

This thread first started using a SWiM-16, but even [not the best option] with 2 SWM8s it will work by moving one DVR over to the other SWM8.
Four DVRs on one, and one + the HR34 on the other.
Why someone would give up the DECA crossover of the SWiM-16, for two SWM8s doesn't make sense.

All those AM-21s ain't going to be fed by the OTA port of the SWM8s either.

 

[montereywill]

I apologize for seemingly not quite grasping what is the most sensical way to install this setup. It seems the more I read the more I am confused when it comes to the way SWiM works overall. Seeing as I do not trust most retailers to actually sell me what I need and not what makes them the most money. With that said I greatly appreciate the insight and experience this community has to offer someone like me in this situation.

VERYOLDSCHOOL, and anyone else for that matter, if it is not too much of an inconvenience would you perhaps draw me a diagram that makes the most logical sense in terms of the optimal way to implement the following setup when you have a free moment or two. Design it such that it has the greatest polarity and signal strength ( amplifier and polarity locker where necessary) and accommodates 5 HR-24s and 1-2 HR-34s (the wife and her shows) with internet access for PPV, Pandora, YouTube, etc.


Thanks again for everyone's patience.
Will

 

[montereywill]

P.S.

I have independent COAX for the OTA (so signal does not interfere with the SWiM modulations) and GigE ethernet cable runs for every receiver.

 

[veryoldschool]

I left the Sonora product there, but not sure it's needed:

 

[montereywill]

Thanks VERYOLDSCHOOL for the help. So the internal DECA bridge bridges the internet connection across the SWM1 and SWM2 ports correct? And am I also correct in that I also do not connect any network cables to any of the receivers including the HR-34 as they all have internet access via the CCK?

Lastly, if I was to add another HR-34 to the install at a later time, would I just cascade a SWM8 off of a FlexPort on the SWM16? I would also need to add another CCK for the SWM16 and SWM8 networks to communicate for MRV to work correct?

Man my brain is starting to smolders. Thanks!
Will

 

[veryoldschool]

yes,
yes,
no, but you can add either a SWM8 or SWiM-16 off the four legacy ports of the first SWiM-16, and this would also need another CCK, so the two DECA clouds can be combined through your router and ethernet.