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No joy. The RC65R remote doesn't control the C61K, nor does the "Advanced" button appear on the C61K remote control setup screen.
No I know it does not appear on the C61K. You need to use an older HR receiver and setup a remote for receiver 3 then play around with switching between RF/IR on the 61 and when it asks you to press buttons to go into IR mode use the remote you programmed. I wish I could give you step by step but I just messed with it for about 30 minutes and it started working on about the third try. BTW the C61K still says it's in RF mode but it is working with my Harmony 900 in IR mode. It must be some half baked code inside the C61K that got activated.
 

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No I know it does not appear on the C61K. You need to use an older HR receiver and setup a remote for receiver 3 then play around with switching between RF/IR on the 61 and when it asks you to press buttons to go into IR mode use the remote you programmed. I wish I could give you step by step but I just messed with it for about 30 minutes and it started working on about the third try. BTW the C61K still says it's in RF mode but it is working with my Harmony 900 in IR mode. It must be some half baked code inside the C61K that got activated.
I believe the DVR's always respond to either IR or RF commands. It's the remote that is configured for RF or IR. My remotes are both currently configured for RF, but both my HR54 and C61K are responding to the Harmony's IR commands. That's why I have black tape over the C61K's IR Sensor.

Anyway, I'll keep plugging away at your recommendations-maybe I'll have a breakthrough.
 

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Yes, they all do either RF or IR, AFAIK. How you configure the remotes is what matters. How you get around the Harmony remote's IR commands is obviously the problem. Do you have to use the Harmony? I have a Harmony 650 and I prefer the D* remotes. If you just use the D* remotes the problem goes away...right?

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Yes, everything works fine with the DTV remotes in RF mode. I just prefer the automation that comes with a programmable remote. For example, since the HR54 and C61K have separate HDMI connections into my AVR, I need to switch the AVR input when I switch between the two DTV devices. That means not only picking up a different DTV remote, but also using the AVR remote. The Harmony makes life so much easier.
 

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Yes, everything works fine with the DTV remotes in RF mode. I just prefer the automation that comes with a programmable remote. For example, since the HR54 and C61K have separate HDMI connections into my AVR, I need to switch the AVR input when I switch between the two DTV devices. That means not only picking up a different DTV remote, but also using the AVR remote. The Harmony makes life so much easier.
Only use my AVR remotes infrequently and all my HDMI switching is done by voice control. I have a couple Fire Cubes that control the TVs and they do the HDMI switching better than anything I've ever used. I have 3 AVRs in use and use a TV remote for voice commands for the one TV that doesn't have a Cube. But we all have different ways of doing things. I get that.

I bought this Harmony remote a couple years ago: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IAKLM54/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I used it for a week or so and returned it. It was a very interesting remote but I felt like I was using a Cadillac to haul junk. Way too sophistacated for what I wanted to use it for. I can use one of the old D* remotes without looking at it and I've been using the peanut remote for the 44 and can almost use it as easily as the older version. I can't do that with the 650. Just me.

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I wonder if even if though it might not be possible to get the client to respond to an alternate IR setup, what about the HR54 itself... Don't know if that would help or not.

Not remembering exactly how I'd set that up for the HR44, though, and wonder if it's still doable in the new GUI, but it was still working in AV1 mode when I last used that unit 7 months ago.

(I'd try going into its menus, but currently it sits unplugged and unused since 1088 made it next to useless for me - I was ok with 1037 Service 2.)
 

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Carl, I notice when watching a recording from my bedroom HR24 on the downstairs HR54, the performance is sluggish as well. How much of this sluggish behavior is attributable to the responsiveness of the network/cable connection, and how much is attributable to the horsepower of the serving device? In other words, just because the HS17 is a more powerful server, does it overcome what might be simply the network/cable connection?
I do not know. I would say this, the "network/cable connection" in and of itself should introduce no delay. Processing the data packets that come over that connection obviously does use some amount of processor power. The sluggishness you experience from the HR24 to the HR54 could be due to processing power in the HR24 or in the HR54, or possibly some of both. With the client, I think the problem is more that of the server than the client, but the client could also be contributing to part or even most, of the delay you see. However, a great many people using C61K with HS17 do not report sluggishness problems, suggesting the C61K itself is not normally sluggish. I have not experienced C61K sluggishness problems, and I have two of them (with an HS17). However, it is entirely possible you have one that could have a problem contributing to sluggish behavior. The only way to rule that out would be to either replace the C61K, or the HR54, and see if it makes a difference, then replace the other device if the first replacement did not fix the problem.

I'm assuming by "network/cable connection" you are referring to coax and not ethernet.
 

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I guess I will never know unless I upgrade to the HS17. Given that my HR54 is only one year old, and I have a ton of recordings I don’t want to lose, I don’t think that will happen soon. The slugginess is not something I can’t learn to live with.

And yes, I meant the coax. I believe the client/server communication is over coax.
 

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I guess I will never know unless I upgrade to the HS17. Given that my HR54 is only one year old, and I have a ton of recordings I don't want to lose, I don't think that will happen soon. The slugginess is not something I can't learn to live with.

And yes, I meant the coax. I believe the client/server communication is over coax.
I put a 3TB WD Green (I thought I bought a Red Caviar HDD) HDD in my 44 the day I got it. It lasted 3 years. It was sluggish and nothing I did helped. The picture broke up a lot, more than I saw on my 24s viewing the same content and I always had audio breakups. I had problems with that 44 from the day I got it. I put a new drive on it 6 months ago and have no issues now. I blamed the software and hardware for the problems and I was wrong, it was the HDD. Given what I went thru over 3 years, I'd say that you're gonna get somewhere between 2-3 years of good performance and then you are gonna see that sluggishness. What you see now isn't gonna last. That time frame is variable, of course.

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No joy. The RC65R remote doesn't control the C61K, nor does the "Advanced" button appear on the C61K remote control setup screen.
Is the tape still on the C61Ks IR sensor? If not, you may need to reset the RC65R to code 00001. (hold down mute and select til the light flashes, then key in 0-0-0-0-1)

If you can't get the RC65R to control the C61K, then you will never get the Advanced Setups menu.
 

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Is the tape still on the C61Ks IR sensor? If not, you may need to reset the RC65R to code 00001. (hold down mute and select til the light flashes, then key in 0-0-0-0-1)

If you can't get the RC65R to control the C61K, then you will never get the Advanced Setups menu.
David, I have followed a number of tips from various sources, and cannot get anything to work. I reset the RC75R, and it controls both the HR54 and the C61K. I can get the advanced remote programming screen on the HR54, and when I follow the instructions to set the remote to one of the alternate codes for slider position AV1, like 00002, it just doesn't work. Thanks anyway for the tip.
 

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David, I have followed a number of tips from various sources, and cannot get anything to work. I reset the RC75R, and it controls both the HR54 and the C61K. I can get the advanced remote programming screen on the HR54, and when I follow the instructions to set the remote to one of the alternate codes for slider position AV1, like 00002, it just doesn't work. Thanks anyway for the tip.
If you care to pursue this any further, focus on the C61K. In my experience, the HR54 is the only DIRECTV box that is locked to 00001.
 

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If you care to pursue this any further, focus on the C61K. In my experience, the HR54 is the only DIRECTV box that is locked to 00001.
That is the device I have been working with. Thanks again for the suggestions, but I have tried everything and am going to give it a rest for now.
 

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Yes, they all do either RF or IR, AFAIK. How you configure the remotes is what matters. How you get around the Harmony remote's IR commands is obviously the problem. Do you have to use the Harmony? I have a Harmony 650 and I prefer the D* remotes. If you just use the D* remotes the problem goes away...right?

Rich
Actually they don't and it's the boxes not the remotes that are the issue first. Anything prior to a hr44 that uses a rc6x remote only looks for RF or IR at a time neither both. Easily proven by setting up two remotes one rf and one ir and you will find only one will ever work. It wasn't till the receivers that use the rc7x that the receivers looked for both.
 

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That is the device I have been working with. Thanks again for the suggestions, but I have tried everything and am going to give it a rest for now.
Understood but... the key things is using an old remote and starting with code one but also chose if something beyond code 2. Try code 4 or something of that nature. Do you happen to have a rc6x that doesn't have a r or x at the end of the model number? I'd try that on the c61k. And you can easily program harmonys for other DIRECTV codes once you have the box working on a different code because harmony has all 8 ir codes in their system.

I honestly don't think I tried to change a c61k but I'll give it a try next time I have the time.
 

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Understood but... the key things is using an old remote and starting with code one but also chose if something beyond code 2. Try code 4 or something of that nature. Do you happen to have a rc6x that doesn't have a r or x at the end of the model number? I'd try that on the c61k. And you can easily program harmonys for other DIRECTV codes once you have the box working on a different code because harmony has all 8 ir codes in their system.

I honestly don't think I tried to change a c61k but I'll give it a try next time I have the time.
The problem to me is that when he got to the part of the instructions he did not have a slider to change the remote.
For the new RC7x remote there isn't one. However the codes all start with a unique number. The receivers, etc. start with a "0". So, when you get to that point you just imagine that you slid the selector and Press the Mute and Select buttons, wait for the light on the end to flash 2 times, then type in 00002. This sets the remote. As soon as you got to this point in the instructions and told it that this was receiver #2, the IR settings in the receiver are now for the 00002 remote.
I do not have this equipment so I can't actually do it to show that it works.
 

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The problem to me is that when he got to the part of the instructions he did not have a slider to change the remote.
For the new RC7x remote there isn't one. However the codes all start with a unique number. The receivers, etc. start with a "0". So, when you get to that point you just imagine that you slid the selector and Press the Mute and Select buttons, wait for the light on the end to flash 2 times, then type in 00002. This sets the remote. As soon as you got to this point in the instructions and told it that this was receiver #2, the IR settings in the receiver are now for the 00002 remote.
I do not have this equipment so I can't actually do it to show that it works.
You physically can't change any of the receivers codes with a rc7x remote. Not physically possible. You could do it with a harmony though if you have it programmed for two separate DIRECTV IR codes in advance.
 

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Actually they don't and it's the boxes not the remotes that are the issue first. Anything prior to a hr44 that uses a rc6x remote only looks for RF or IR at a time neither both. Easily proven by setting up two remotes one rf and one ir and you will find only one will ever work. It wasn't till the receivers that use the rc7x that the receivers looked for both.
Do you mean I can't use an IR remote on a 24 that's set for RF? Oops, you're right, must have been thinking of the 44s. I'll delete that post.

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I have been having a useful conversation with Stuart Sweet on Disqus.com. Stuart has created a YouTube video on how to configure the C61K for an alternate IR Code set:
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Unfortunately, even when following his instructions, I cannot get it to work using a RC65R remote. And this is the only older remote I have right now.
 

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I have been having a useful conversation with Stuart Sweet on Disqus.com. Stuart has created a YouTube video on how to configure the C61K for an alternate IR Code set:
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Unfortunately, even when following his instructions, I cannot get it to work using a RC65R remote. And this is the only older remote I have right now.
Have you tried resetting the remote to factory specs and then follow the instructions ?
Press Mute and Select, hold them down til the light on the end flashes 2 time,
then type in 981.
 
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