[olguy]

It's in a pdf of the DHA at this link: www.dish.com/downloads/legal/DHA_Agreement.pdf We all know this is subject to change but the pricing doesn't look too bad.

Fees and Payments: You agree to pay monthly by the payment due date for the programming you select and for all applicable
fees. State and local taxes and/or reimbursement charges may apply as set forth in the RCA. You have paid or you agree to pay
the following one-time lease upgrade fees, if applicable: (A) $199 for any 922 receiver; and (B) $99 for each additional receiver
that is a 612, 622, 722 or 722k receiver. You have paid or you agree to pay the following one-time lease upgrade fees for the
Whole Home DVR Service (A) $99 upfront charge that will be credited back to customers who take AT200, AT250, America's
Everything Pack, Latino Dos or Latino Max programming.

Monthly Fees Fee
Each Solo receiver $7.00/mo.
Each Hopper 2000 and Joey 1.0 $7.00/mo.
Each Solo DVR receiver $10.00/mo.
Each Duo receiver $14.00/mo.
Each DuoDVR or SlingLoaded DVR receiver $17.00/mo.
In determining the Additional Receiver Fee amount, the receiver with the highest associated fee shall be deemed activated prior
to all other receivers on an account.
DVR Service Fee $6.00/mo.
One DVR Service Fee will apply per account with at least one DVR receiver active (excluding accounts with at least one
SlingLoaded DVR receiver active, to which a $10.00/mo. DVR Service Fee will apply).
Whole Home DVR Service Fee $4.00/mo.
One Whole Home DVR Service Fee will apply per account with at least one Hopper 2000 receiver active. This fee is to be
added to the DVR Service Fee of $6.00/mo. for a total account cost of $10.00/mo.

And the new site is way different than what we were used to, isn't it? I think I like it even though I'm old, grouchy and set in my ways.

 

[Stewart Vernon]

I was sure surprised to see the new Web site that first day... I need to get used to it a bit before I decide if I like it.

Dish has had a clunky Web site before... and while this one looks a little slicker, I'm mostly interested to see if it functions better or more intuitive than it has in the past.

 

[Simonjester]

Right now I can't get logged into my account, its prompting for a second username and password popup after the first login...

 

[RasputinAXP]

Wow, that's way better than I anticipated for the Hopper/Joey costs. Amazing.

 

[phrelin]

I like the new web site section for customers.

Regarding the Hopper 2000 price, they do get you with a $4.00 whole home DVR fee (added to the $6 DVR fee) which makes one Hopper $11. But my 612 which I regard as underpowered costs $10. What don't I understand???

 

[BobaBird]

Your $10 612 is an additional receiver.

The Hopper has the same base $6 DVR fee on the account but gets hit with an extra $4 "whole home" fee. So a 1 Hopper 1 Joey system costs $10 to do what the current Duo class DVRs do, but with the advantages of HD to TV2 and a 3rd satellite tuner with optional PrimeTime Anytime.

 

[tommiet]

Don't hold your breath for a "Hopper." DISH will make their current customer wait until last..... New customers come first!

 

[olguy]

They hit you with $6 DVR Service fee plus $4 Whole Home fee plus $7 for a Hopper and Joey. But if they waive the highest DVR fee as they do now I guess a Hopper and 1 Joey will only cost $10. And the $4 plus $6 is the same as we now pay for a 922. What I can't figure out is how much are 2 additional Joeys. But until they start signing us up this is pure speculation, even with the DHA because that can/may change.

 

[Blowgun]

Is the firmware mature enough to give out to new subscribers? Come to think of it, DISH will have them locked in for 24 months, so there's not much they can do about it.

 

[RasputinAXP]

The way I look at it is that a Hopper and one Joey is a unit; they'd replace the 922 with that. With a Joey I can replace the 211k upstairs too, actually SAVING me $7 a month. It's a wash because I'm already paying $10 a month for the Sling in the 922 (uh, I mean FOR THE EXTRA HARD DRIVE SPACE *rolleyes*)...though apparently I'll have to spring for the Sling adapter to keep slinging.

 

[Inkosaurus]

The way I look at it is that a Hopper and one Joey is a unit; they'd replace the 922 with that. With a Joey I can replace the 211k upstairs too, actually SAVING me $7 a month. It's a wash because I'm already paying $10 a month for the Sling in the 922 (uh, I mean FOR THE EXTRA HARD DRIVE SPACE *rolleyes*)...though apparently I'll have to spring for the Sling adapter to keep slinging.

Well atleast the price of the sling adapter will be going down pretty soon

 

[phrelin]

Don't hold your breath for a "Hopper." DISH will make their current customer wait until last..... New customers come first!

If Dish releases a new piece of hardware to new customers first, I'll likely just be grinning as I read those new member posts here.

I have never seen an Echostar significantly different new product release that didn't seem like a Beta, if not Alpha, Release and I cannot believe this one won't work out about the same.

We old customers are fairly tolerant, even though we complain about everything here.

So if they want to alienate a whole new generation of customers, turn them into Beta Testers. Fine with me.

 

[Lt Disher]

I like the new web site section for customers.

Regarding the Hopper 2000 price, they do get you with a $4.00 whole home DVR fee (added to the $6 DVR fee) which makes one Hopper $11. But my 612 which I regard as underpowered costs $10. What don't I understand???

4 + 6 = 11 ???

Must be the old math.

 

[olguy]

I got a 922 the 2nd month they were available. Based on that experience I'll probably wait at least 6 months to try the Hopper. And like phrelin, I'll be smiling at the early adopter posts.

 

[Jhon69]

If Dish releases a new piece of hardware to new customers first, I'll likely just be grinning as I read those new member posts here.

I have never seen an Echostar significantly different new product release that didn't seem like a Beta, if not Alpha, Release and I cannot believe this one won't work out about the same.

We old customers are fairly tolerant, even though we complain about everything here.

So if they want to alienate a whole new generation of customers, turn them into Beta Testers. Fine with me.

That's the way it's been before,just like when they said the beta testing was being done by DISH employees? no disrespect intended but I can see what will happen, the employees will say everything works fine,then DISH will go ahead and bring it out and a whole bunch of problems will surface and DISH will be puzzled why these problems were not found earlier.

The answer is DISH needs beta testers who live,eat and breath this satellite stuff,those are the ones who will pick the product apart to make it better.Hopefully some from these forums got chosen to beta test and if not? I told you so.

 

[phrelin]

That's the way it's been before,just like when they said the beta testing was being done by DISH employees? no disrespect intended but I can see what will happen, the employees will say everything works fine,then DISH will go ahead and bring it out and a whole bunch of problems will surface and DISH will be puzzled why these problems were not found earlier.

The answer is DISH needs beta testers who live,eat and breath this satellite stuff,those are the ones who will pick the product apart to make it better.Hopefully some from these forums got chosen to beta test and if not? I told you so.

Essentially I agree with you, though I still believe towards the end of Beta Testing there should be a Beta Testing "2.0" where they pick households with a computer challenged single parent and three kids no younger than 4 and no older than 12.

 

[lparsons21]

Essentially I agree with you, though I still believe towards the end of Beta Testing there should be a Beta Testing "2.0" where they pick households with a computer challenged single parent and three kids no younger than 4 and no older than 12.

LOL!!

I have been told from a good source that there was some beta testing outside of Dish. But those that are doing it are following the rules and not talking so far.

 

[BobaBird]

Is the firmware mature enough to give out to new subscribers?

I think (hope) so. It's very much like the current 922, but has working [email protected] and Seek&Record (enhanced Dish Pass). The problems noted at CES were fairly minor, and there were 6 more beta updates prior to S200 being put on the birds a few days ago. It's expected to be missing use of the eSATA port, the add-on OTA tuner, the Ethernet (and I think USB) port on the Joeys, and recurring save from PTAT. There was no demo of 2-Hopper integration and we weren't able to check EHD use which remains somewhat problematic on the 922.

 

[Jhon69]

LOL!!

I have been told from a good source that there was some beta testing outside of Dish. But those that are doing it are following the rules and not talking so far.

If there was a NDA normally there is then they should not talk about it.

Heck even if they could they shouldn't because when a problem surfaces,there are those who will say"Why didn't you find this"?.

 

[Stewart Vernon]

And to be fair... companies don't always listen to testers be they outside beta or internal test groups.

I worked for a computer company... I sat in meetings... and I routinely heard the test group reporting bugs and listing problems... then the engineering/marketing team would make decisions to push forward anyway and sell the product even if some major bugs were still there IF they thought they could get away with it.

Even though the internal testers are part of the company doesn't mean they are part of the problem... I've seen it first hand where they would be pushed to the side to get a product out the door.